All they really need to do is be consistent, and coming up with a standard wouldn't hurt.
Why it's necessary for every vendor to invent their own special way of putting radios/lans/clients, etc into SNMP, I don't know.
There's also the strange thing most vendors do where data is duplicated quite a lot. They'll duplicate half of the radio data in the wlan table, for no good reason.
Most of the problems are historical and many of the vendors seem to be heading in the right direction, probably down to a lot of whining from their customer base (which they seem to be especially good at, hah!).
At this point I think I've already wasted quite enough of my time on a clearly undesirable market segment.
The usability difference between Observium and Cacti is inseparable from the order of magnitude more effort required to graph new things in Observium. That's just how it is. The reason we are different to other applications is because we have lots of restrictions and unconventional ways of doing things.
adam.
On 2015-04-05 14:10, Mike Hammett wrote:
You also get no argument from me (and many other wireless ISPs) that the vendors are absolutely terrible at SNMP. When I was working to get a Dragonwave link into Mikrotik's "The Dude" monitoring program, just finding the correct MIBs and their dependencies was a bitch. Ubiquiti AirMax series didn't have a MIB until version 5.6, which is still in beta. Their AirFiber series didn't even have SNMP for quite some time.
*sigh*
We are pretty good at getting what we want out of our vendors, however. Can you put together a page on Observium's web site that is mostly neutral in tone (blatantly calling them fucking idiots to their face might not get us far) regarding generally how these vendors are fucking up and what they should be doing? Then we can expend our energies to get them to fix things.
Keep in mind that there is a world of attributes that wireless operators would want to track that have no parallel in the wired or even WiFi worlds.
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FROM: "Adam Armstrong" adama@memetic.org TO: "Observium Network Observation System" observium@observium.org SENT: Sunday, April 5, 2015 5:04:58 AM SUBJECT: Re: [Observium] observium managment should be more professional
On 2015-04-05 10:55, Nikolay Shopik wrote:
Adam,
You are terrible at management, create observium WISP edition with
10K
per year if they still willing to buy that, you are good to go.
Y'see, the thing is, 10k from a dozen users probably wouldn't cover the effort required to build it!
£150 from a dozen users barely even covers reading through one vendor's MIB!
I think I've spent about 3-4 aggregate days worth of time on reading through MIBs and trying to come up with workable database schemas to accommodate all of the devices.
Wireless kit seems to have been developed by people who had never encountered SNMP, MIBs or ASN.1 before. The MIBs are some of the worst
I've seen anywhere, far worse than what you get from the "budget" switch/router vendors. Every wifi vendor has their own idea of what goes with which set of entities and more than one vendor thinks it's a good
idea to write a new MIB for every single model they release.
That's assuming they actually output more than a broken IF-MIB, of course.
At the end of the day, these people have no idea of the scale of what they're /demanding/ nor seem to have any understanding of the tiny percentage of the Observium userbase they represent. Observium is primarily a platform written by an ISP/Telco engineer to monitor ISP/Telco kit. These people are acting like a skateboarder who's turned up to a BMX track and is arguing all of the jumps need to be concreted
so that he can use them.
For example, the devices that the guy I was arguing on IRC claimed to be super important to support? We have something like 10 of them in our entire userbase. It's just insane, they have no sense of scale.
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