None of those companies make gear for our
space and the wireless stuff they do make gets laughed at.
From: "Joseph
L. Brunner" <joe@affirmedsystems.com>
To: "Observium Network Observation System" <observium@observium.org>
Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2015 9:23:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Observium] observium managment should be more professional
These people are acting like a skateboarder who's turned up to a BMX track and is arguing all of the jumps need to be concreted so that he can use them.
Best line ever...
I'm in total agreement with you Adam
Use Cisco/Juniper/Arista - or you're doing it wrong!
-----Original Message-----
From: observium [mailto:observium-bounces@observium.org] On Behalf Of Adam Armstrong
Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2015 06:05 AM
To: Observium Network Observation System
Subject: Re: [Observium] observium managment should be more professional
On 2015-04-05 10:55, Nikolay Shopik wrote:
> Adam,
>
> You are terrible at management, create observium WISP edition with 10K
> per year if they still willing to buy that, you are good to go.
Y'see, the thing is, 10k from a dozen users probably wouldn't cover the effort required to build it!
£150 from a dozen users barely even covers reading through one vendor's MIB!
I think I've spent about 3-4 aggregate days worth of time on reading through MIBs and trying to come up with workable database schemas to accommodate all of the devices.
Wireless kit seems to have been developed by people who had never encountered SNMP, MIBs or ASN.1 before. The MIBs are some of the worst I've seen anywhere, far worse than what you get from the "budget"
switch/router vendors. Every wifi vendor has their own idea of what goes with which set of entities and more than one vendor thinks it's a good idea to write a new MIB for every single model they release.
That's assuming they actually output more than a broken IF-MIB, of course.
At the end of the day, these people have no idea of the scale of what they're /demanding/ nor seem to have any understanding of the tiny percentage of the Observium userbase they represent. Observium is primarily a platform written by an ISP/Telco engineer to monitor ISP/Telco kit. These people are acting like a skateboarder who's turned up to a BMX track and is arguing all of the jumps need to be concreted so that he can use them.
For example, the devices that the guy I was arguing on IRC claimed to be super important to support? We have something like 10 of them in our entire userbase. It's just insane, they have no sense of scale.
adam.
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To: "Observium Network Observation System" <observium@observium.org>
Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2015 9:23:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Observium] observium managment should be more professional
These people are acting like a skateboarder who's turned up to a BMX track and is arguing all of the jumps need to be concreted so that he can use them.
Best line ever...
I'm in total agreement with you Adam
Use Cisco/Juniper/Arista - or you're doing it wrong!
-----Original Message-----
From: observium [mailto:observium-bounces@observium.org] On Behalf Of Adam Armstrong
Sent: Sunday, April 05, 2015 06:05 AM
To: Observium Network Observation System
Subject: Re: [Observium] observium managment should be more professional
On 2015-04-05 10:55, Nikolay Shopik wrote:
> Adam,
>
> You are terrible at management, create observium WISP edition with 10K
> per year if they still willing to buy that, you are good to go.
Y'see, the thing is, 10k from a dozen users probably wouldn't cover the effort required to build it!
£150 from a dozen users barely even covers reading through one vendor's MIB!
I think I've spent about 3-4 aggregate days worth of time on reading through MIBs and trying to come up with workable database schemas to accommodate all of the devices.
Wireless kit seems to have been developed by people who had never encountered SNMP, MIBs or ASN.1 before. The MIBs are some of the worst I've seen anywhere, far worse than what you get from the "budget"
switch/router vendors. Every wifi vendor has their own idea of what goes with which set of entities and more than one vendor thinks it's a good idea to write a new MIB for every single model they release.
That's assuming they actually output more than a broken IF-MIB, of course.
At the end of the day, these people have no idea of the scale of what they're /demanding/ nor seem to have any understanding of the tiny percentage of the Observium userbase they represent. Observium is primarily a platform written by an ISP/Telco engineer to monitor ISP/Telco kit. These people are acting like a skateboarder who's turned up to a BMX track and is arguing all of the jumps need to be concreted so that he can use them.
For example, the devices that the guy I was arguing on IRC claimed to be super important to support? We have something like 10 of them in our entire userbase. It's just insane, they have no sense of scale.
adam.
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