Sorry if this comes as a double post, as I sent it out, then was prompted to confirm my email to the list. If so, disregard (or answer since I haven't seen one yet) ;)
So I have nagios running smooth for one company and working with another was introduced to observium. Interface is excellent, but I have 2 questions.
1. Alerts. I had a dev box hit around 97% disk space with no notice. So there is an alerts tab, but I don't see how to configure alerts, thresholds, etc. Looking at the wiki ( http://observium.org/wiki/Configuration_Options#Simple_API_Settings) I do see some things, but no simple [add alert] type thing, so is there something I can read, etc. as I continue to play?
2. Search header. The one I was shown before I did the install had the company logo (I see where to change that, colors, etc.) but they had the searchbar just not there (and I can see why). I can click the [hide] but I would like to completely remove it, but don't see where/how to accomplish.
Again, sorry if this is a double, but I just saw my first one come through, so I know i'm in the loop.
Tnx
On 12/12/2012 11:44, Lance Raymond wrote:
Sorry if this comes as a double post, as I sent it out, then was prompted to confirm my email to the list. If so, disregard (or answer since I haven't seen one yet) ;)
So I have nagios running smooth for one company and working with another was introduced to observium. Interface is excellent, but I have 2 questions.
First mistake is trying to compare Nagios and Observium. You're basically trying to compare MS Word and Lotus 1-2-3.
- Alerts. I had a dev box hit around 97% disk space with no notice.
So there is an alerts tab, but I don't see how to configure alerts, thresholds, etc. Looking at the wiki (http://observium.org/wiki/Configuration_Options#Simple_API_Settings) I do see some things, but no simple [add alert] type thing, so is there something I can read, etc. as I continue to play?
We don't do alerting. There is some *old* code in there which sends out some alerts that have been useful at points in the past, but Observium is not currently capable of replacing an up/down alerting application like Nagios or similar.
- Search header. The one I was shown before I did the install had
the company logo (I see where to change that, colors, etc.) but they had the searchbar just not there (and I can see why). I can click the [hide] but I would like to completely remove it, but don't see where/how to accomplish.
No idea what you're talking about!
adam.
Gee, since you were so welcoming on a 1st post, I can't resist to reply as well.
So comparing nagios and observium is like Word and Lotus 123 huh, Word is a word processor and Lotus 123 is a spreadsheet app, completely different application uses.
But by definition; Nagios is a popular open source computer system and network monitoring software application. Observium is a PHP/MySQL-based Network Observation and Monitoring System
Looks pretty similar to me! As for alerts, is this something that is on the drawing board? Up/Down I would assume is part of monitoring IMO.
As for the "No idea what I'm talking about", well looking at all devices there is a grey box with items to search for. There is a link that says 'Remove Search'. The link points to a devices/format=list_detail/searchbar=hide/. I would like to see if there was a way to completely remove (or permanently hide) that search bar.
Hope that helps in the 2nd description.
On 12/12/12 12:48 PM, "Adam Armstrong" adama@memetic.org wrote:
On 12/12/2012 11:44, Lance Raymond wrote:
Sorry if this comes as a double post, as I sent it out, then was prompted to confirm my email to the list. If so, disregard (or answer since I haven't seen one yet) ;)
So I have nagios running smooth for one company and working with another was introduced to observium. Interface is excellent, but I have 2 questions.
First mistake is trying to compare Nagios and Observium. You're basically trying to compare MS Word and Lotus 1-2-3.
- Alerts. I had a dev box hit around 97% disk space with no notice.
So there is an alerts tab, but I don't see how to configure alerts, thresholds, etc. Looking at the wiki (http://observium.org/wiki/Configuration_Options#Simple_API_Settings) I do see some things, but no simple [add alert] type thing, so is there something I can read, etc. as I continue to play?
We don't do alerting. There is some *old* code in there which sends out some alerts that have been useful at points in the past, but Observium is not currently capable of replacing an up/down alerting application like Nagios or similar.
- Search header. The one I was shown before I did the install had
the company logo (I see where to change that, colors, etc.) but they had the searchbar just not there (and I can see why). I can click the [hide] but I would like to completely remove it, but don't see where/how to accomplish.
No idea what you're talking about!
adam. _______________________________________________ observium mailing list observium@observium.org http://postman.memetic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/observium
On 12/12/2012 12:00, Lance Raymond wrote:
Gee, since you were so welcoming on a 1st post, I can't resist to reply as well.
So comparing nagios and observium is like Word and Lotus 123 huh, Word is a word processor and Lotus 123 is a spreadsheet app, completely different application uses.
But by definition; Nagios is a popular open source computer system and network monitoring software application. Observium is a PHP/MySQL-based Network Observation and Monitoring System
Looks pretty similar to me! As for alerts, is this something that is on the drawing board? Up/Down I would assume is part of monitoring IMO.
Observium is more like an automated Cacti. Arguing based on your own personal understanding of terminology just makes you sound crazy.
Not only that, but using such absurd semantics to try to prove me wrong and you right (even though you're wrong), utterly destroys any possiblity that I will implement any features or changes for you...
As for the "No idea what I'm talking about", well looking at all devices there is a grey box with items to search for. There is a link that says 'Remove Search'. The link points to a devices/format=list_detail/searchbar=hide/. I would like to see if there was a way to completely remove (or permanently hide) that search bar.
Oh, the search box on /devices/. There isn't currently a way of permanently hiding that box (or the similar box on /ports/)
It wouldn't be hard to make it hideable, but you've been irritating enough that I don't really want to help you. Well done, good luck, have fun.
adam.
Lance,
Pretty much as Adam says observium should be compared to cacti and not to nagios/icinga/zabbix/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_network_monitoring_systems that does proper alerting. Observium is great at what implies in its name observing things on the network to get a handle how things are going with regards to utilisation of resources.
Darius
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 7:08 PM, Adam Armstrong adama@memetic.org wrote:
On 12/12/2012 12:00, Lance Raymond wrote:
Gee, since you were so welcoming on a 1st post, I can't resist to reply as well.
So comparing nagios and observium is like Word and Lotus 123 huh, Word is a word processor and Lotus 123 is a spreadsheet app, completely different application uses.
But by definition; Nagios is a popular open source computer system and network monitoring software application. Observium is a PHP/MySQL-based Network Observation and Monitoring System
Looks pretty similar to me! As for alerts, is this something that is on the drawing board? Up/Down I would assume is part of monitoring IMO.
Observium is more like an automated Cacti. Arguing based on your own personal understanding of terminology just makes you sound crazy.
Not only that, but using such absurd semantics to try to prove me wrong and you right (even though you're wrong), utterly destroys any possiblity that I will implement any features or changes for you...
As for the "No idea what I'm talking about", well looking at all devices
there is a grey box with items to search for. There is a link that says 'Remove Search'. The link points to a devices/format=list_detail/**searchbar=hide/. I would like to see if there was a way to completely remove (or permanently hide) that search bar.
Oh, the search box on /devices/. There isn't currently a way of permanently hiding that box (or the similar box on /ports/)
It wouldn't be hard to make it hideable, but you've been irritating enough that I don't really want to help you. Well done, good luck, have fun.
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Thanks. Looking at the tabs, etc. more I can see that, and not sure what in fact it would take to add a threshold / up / down but my initial email was simply to say when looking at a device. The last tab is a nice alert with a bell. I didn't post w/o reading which is a big no-no, just simply had 2 things, both legit. The 2nd item I may have not gave a 100% description on, and love the fact the founder and dev's troll the list, shows great customer loyalty.
My issue was I got a response right away that made no sense with the comparison. I am a HUGE sarcastic person (as you can tell) and figured I would fire right back (the whole time with a smile), but then to get a message saying I won't help because you irritate me, that made it even better!
I was honest, the app is very polished, much cleaner than nagios which is what I am using for my current network, but without an up/down, I would simply use this in parallel, as I have graphing already just not as granular.
Help or not, adding features or not, still had a chuckle and wish them well on this product :)
~ Lr
From: Darius Seroka dariusjs@gmail.com Reply-To: Observium Network Observation System observium@observium.org Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 19:24:59 +0100 To: Observium Network Observation System observium@observium.org Subject: Re: [Observium] Alert Question
Lance,
Pretty much as Adam says observium should be compared to cacti and not to nagios/icinga/zabbix/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_network_monitoring_systems that does proper alerting. Observium is great at what implies in its name observing things on the network to get a handle how things are going with regards to utilisation of resources.
Darius
On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 7:08 PM, Adam Armstrong adama@memetic.org wrote:
On 12/12/2012 12:00, Lance Raymond wrote:
Gee, since you were so welcoming on a 1st post, I can't resist to reply as well.
So comparing nagios and observium is like Word and Lotus 123 huh, Word is a word processor and Lotus 123 is a spreadsheet app, completely different application uses.
But by definition; Nagios is a popular open source computer system and network monitoring software application. Observium is a PHP/MySQL-based Network Observation and Monitoring System
Looks pretty similar to me! As for alerts, is this something that is on the drawing board? Up/Down I would assume is part of monitoring IMO.
Observium is more like an automated Cacti. Arguing based on your own personal understanding of terminology just makes you sound crazy.
Not only that, but using such absurd semantics to try to prove me wrong and you right (even though you're wrong), utterly destroys any possiblity that I will implement any features or changes for you...
As for the "No idea what I'm talking about", well looking at all devices there is a grey box with items to search for. There is a link that says 'Remove Search'. The link points to a devices/format=list_detail/searchbar=hide/. I would like to see if there was a way to completely remove (or permanently hide) that search bar.
Oh, the search box on /devices/. There isn't currently a way of permanently hiding that box (or the similar box on /ports/)
It wouldn't be hard to make it hideable, but you've been irritating enough that I don't really want to help you. Well done, good luck, have fun.
adam. _______________________________________________ observium mailing list observium@observium.org http://postman.memetic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/observium http://postman.memetic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/observium
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That's awesome part of a mailing list that "helps" people and as a developer that's your response. Glad it wasn't just a 1 to 1.
As for being wrong, I simply gave the definitions of both products, and pointed out the similarity, and for that I am wrong! As for hurting my chances, wow, I'm devastated. There are plenty of products out there that already do what I want (without asking for donations on the home page), I compliemnted you on the look and simply wanted to know if the 'monitoring' application that has links for alerts was in fact working.
The fact you had to reply right away with a poor comparison, now the 2nd one being an automated cacti makes much more sense as cacti's page says "Along with being able to maintain Graphs, Data Sources, and Round Robin Archives in a database, cacti handles the data gathering." It doesn't mention monitor for that fact. If I had a heart monitor and can look at graph's great, but if my heart stopped, I would want the monitor to fire an alert! Go ahead an poke at that definition as well I am simply trying to say calling it a monitor implies you can react (as you said there is even old code for it!)
So, in closing, your product does show good potential, some major pluses over competitors, and the fact you throw out a bad example, I call you on it and your answer is I won't help I'm sure will do wonders to that donate link as well.
:P Have fun as well (If nothing else, I am laughing as I type this)
~ Lance
On 12/12/12 1:08 PM, "Adam Armstrong" adama@memetic.org wrote:
On 12/12/2012 12:00, Lance Raymond wrote:
Gee, since you were so welcoming on a 1st post, I can't resist to reply as well.
So comparing nagios and observium is like Word and Lotus 123 huh, Word is a word processor and Lotus 123 is a spreadsheet app, completely different application uses.
But by definition; Nagios is a popular open source computer system and network monitoring software application. Observium is a PHP/MySQL-based Network Observation and Monitoring System
Looks pretty similar to me! As for alerts, is this something that is on the drawing board? Up/Down I would assume is part of monitoring IMO.
Observium is more like an automated Cacti. Arguing based on your own personal understanding of terminology just makes you sound crazy.
Not only that, but using such absurd semantics to try to prove me wrong and you right (even though you're wrong), utterly destroys any possiblity that I will implement any features or changes for you...
As for the "No idea what I'm talking about", well looking at all devices there is a grey box with items to search for. There is a link that says 'Remove Search'. The link points to a devices/format=list_detail/searchbar=hide/. I would like to see if there was a way to completely remove (or permanently hide) that search bar.
Oh, the search box on /devices/. There isn't currently a way of permanently hiding that box (or the similar box on /ports/)
It wouldn't be hard to make it hideable, but you've been irritating enough that I don't really want to help you. Well done, good luck, have fun.
adam. _______________________________________________ observium mailing list observium@observium.org http://postman.memetic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/observium
I'd like to call observium good passive monitoring system, so you can use this data for further analytics.
Just press header button this will hide rest, search + header button is minimalistic view.
On 12.12.2012 22:00, Lance Raymond wrote:
Gee, since you were so welcoming on a 1st post, I can't resist to reply as well.
So comparing nagios and observium is like Word and Lotus 123 huh, Word is a word processor and Lotus 123 is a spreadsheet app, completely different application uses.
But by definition; Nagios is a popular open source computer system and network monitoring software application. Observium is a PHP/MySQL-based Network Observation and Monitoring System
Looks pretty similar to me! As for alerts, is this something that is on the drawing board? Up/Down I would assume is part of monitoring IMO.
As for the "No idea what I'm talking about", well looking at all devices there is a grey box with items to search for. There is a link that says 'Remove Search'. The link points to a devices/format=list_detail/searchbar=hide/. I would like to see if there was a way to completely remove (or permanently hide) that search bar.
Hope that helps in the 2nd description.
On 12/12/12 12:48 PM, "Adam Armstrong" adama@memetic.org wrote:
On 12/12/2012 11:44, Lance Raymond wrote:
Sorry if this comes as a double post, as I sent it out, then was prompted to confirm my email to the list. If so, disregard (or answer since I haven't seen one yet) ;)
So I have nagios running smooth for one company and working with another was introduced to observium. Interface is excellent, but I have 2 questions.
First mistake is trying to compare Nagios and Observium. You're basically trying to compare MS Word and Lotus 1-2-3.
- Alerts. I had a dev box hit around 97% disk space with no notice.
So there is an alerts tab, but I don't see how to configure alerts, thresholds, etc. Looking at the wiki (http://observium.org/wiki/Configuration_Options#Simple_API_Settings) I do see some things, but no simple [add alert] type thing, so is there something I can read, etc. as I continue to play?
We don't do alerting. There is some *old* code in there which sends out some alerts that have been useful at points in the past, but Observium is not currently capable of replacing an up/down alerting application like Nagios or similar.
- Search header. The one I was shown before I did the install had
the company logo (I see where to change that, colors, etc.) but they had the searchbar just not there (and I can see why). I can click the [hide] but I would like to completely remove it, but don't see where/how to accomplish.
No idea what you're talking about!
adam. _______________________________________________ observium mailing list observium@observium.org http://postman.memetic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/observium
observium mailing list observium@observium.org http://postman.memetic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/observium
I like that term as well, can make a nice addition.
As for the hide, better look but that bar does return on a new device load. I'm sure if I poke around I can find a workaround, but I do agree, nagios has a HUGE following due to the developers writing plugins, and the way this looks, the same can be done here, just a matter of gaining traction and a following.
On 12/12/12 2:01 PM, "Nikolay Shopik" shopik@inblock.ru wrote:
I'd like to call observium good passive monitoring system, so you can use this data for further analytics.
Just press header button this will hide rest, search + header button is minimalistic view.
On 12.12.2012 22:00, Lance Raymond wrote:
Gee, since you were so welcoming on a 1st post, I can't resist to reply as well.
So comparing nagios and observium is like Word and Lotus 123 huh, Word is a word processor and Lotus 123 is a spreadsheet app, completely different application uses.
But by definition; Nagios is a popular open source computer system and network monitoring software application. Observium is a PHP/MySQL-based Network Observation and Monitoring System
Looks pretty similar to me! As for alerts, is this something that is on the drawing board? Up/Down I would assume is part of monitoring IMO.
As for the "No idea what I'm talking about", well looking at all devices there is a grey box with items to search for. There is a link that says 'Remove Search'. The link points to a devices/format=list_detail/searchbar=hide/. I would like to see if there was a way to completely remove (or permanently hide) that search bar.
Hope that helps in the 2nd description.
On 12/12/12 12:48 PM, "Adam Armstrong" adama@memetic.org wrote:
On 12/12/2012 11:44, Lance Raymond wrote:
Sorry if this comes as a double post, as I sent it out, then was prompted to confirm my email to the list. If so, disregard (or answer since I haven't seen one yet) ;)
So I have nagios running smooth for one company and working with another was introduced to observium. Interface is excellent, but I have 2 questions.
First mistake is trying to compare Nagios and Observium. You're basically trying to compare MS Word and Lotus 1-2-3.
- Alerts. I had a dev box hit around 97% disk space with no notice.
So there is an alerts tab, but I don't see how to configure alerts, thresholds, etc. Looking at the wiki (http://observium.org/wiki/Configuration_Options#Simple_API_Settings) I do see some things, but no simple [add alert] type thing, so is there something I can read, etc. as I continue to play?
We don't do alerting. There is some *old* code in there which sends out some alerts that have been useful at points in the past, but Observium is not currently capable of replacing an up/down alerting application like Nagios or similar.
- Search header. The one I was shown before I did the install had
the company logo (I see where to change that, colors, etc.) but they had the searchbar just not there (and I can see why). I can click the [hide] but I would like to completely remove it, but don't see where/how to accomplish.
No idea what you're talking about!
adam. _______________________________________________ observium mailing list observium@observium.org http://postman.memetic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/observium
observium mailing list observium@observium.org http://postman.memetic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/observium
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I think the issue lies where you click on another link - setting is not carried forward in the URL.
Maybe clicking the link could set a cookie, but how will you get the bar back...
Tom
On 12/12/2012 20:23, Nikolay Shopik wrote:
Just press update url, so next autorefresh will use correct url
On 12.12.2012 23:18, Lance Raymond wrote:
As for the hide, better look but that bar does return on a new device load.
observium mailing list observium@observium.org http://postman.memetic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/observium
I was thinking maybe change it to a session var / cookie, or just a apache rewrite to add the hide to the end :)
Just thinking out of the box.
On 12/12/12 2:26 PM, "Tom Laermans" tom.laermans@powersource.cx wrote:
I think the issue lies where you click on another link - setting is not carried forward in the URL.
Maybe clicking the link could set a cookie, but how will you get the bar back...
Tom
On 12/12/2012 20:23, Nikolay Shopik wrote:
Just press update url, so next autorefresh will use correct url
On 12.12.2012 23:18, Lance Raymond wrote:
As for the hide, better look but that bar does return on a new device load.
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