So, is anyone experiencing any issues running on observium on a vm? I submitted an email a month or two ago about some issues we were seeing, and i decided to reinstall observium from scratch. Currently i am seeing the same issues, whereby it "appears" that connectivity drops or isnt captured randomly. it's not across one device, but all. i am wondering if maybe i didnt build the vm appropriately or we really are having a network type issue. ive looked at the network but maybe i am overlooking something. anything on the vm side that maybe i can look at? i am running ubuntu 13.04 and the latest observium code as of yesterday.
Hi Luis,
It's not clear what you're talking about. Please provide screenshots and/or other examples.
adam.
On 2014-04-24 21:21, Luis Quintana wrote:
So, is anyone experiencing any issues running on observium on a vm? I submitted an email a month or two ago about some issues we were seeing, and i decided to reinstall observium from scratch. Currently i am seeing the same issues, whereby it "appears" that connectivity drops or isnt captured randomly. it's not across one device, but all. i am wondering if maybe i didnt build the vm appropriately or we really are having a network type issue. ive looked at the network but maybe i am overlooking something. anything on the vm side that maybe i can look at? i am running ubuntu 13.04 and the latest observium code as of yesterday. _______________________________________________ observium mailing list observium@observium.org http://postman.memetic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/observium
Sorry, Adam. I might not have expressed it properly. Basically, i am seeing continuous gaps of data, with no related network type events. So I am wondering if it is vm related at this point, or maybe it "is" network related and we are just overlooking something? attached is an image for an example and as you can see those 9 devices did not have data for x amount of time. they are all in different locations but the location of the server itself did not experience any issues either, which is odd to me.
On Apr 24, 2014, at 9:19 PM, Adam Armstrong adama@memetic.org wrote:
Hi Luis,
It's not clear what you're talking about. Please provide screenshots and/or other examples.
adam.
On 2014-04-24 21:21, Luis Quintana wrote:
So, is anyone experiencing any issues running on observium on a vm? I submitted an email a month or two ago about some issues we were seeing, and i decided to reinstall observium from scratch. Currently i am seeing the same issues, whereby it "appears" that connectivity drops or isnt captured randomly. it's not across one device, but all. i am wondering if maybe i didnt build the vm appropriately or we really are having a network type issue. ive looked at the network but maybe i am overlooking something. anything on the vm side that maybe i can look at? i am running ubuntu 13.04 and the latest observium code as of yesterday. _______________________________________________ observium mailing list observium@observium.org http://postman.memetic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/observium
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I have no idea what that graph is...
adam.
On 2014-04-24 21:35, Luis Quintana wrote:
Sorry, Adam. I might not have expressed it properly. Basically, i am seeing continuous gaps of data, with no related network type events. So I am wondering if it is vm related at this point, or maybe it "is" network related and we are just overlooking something? attached is an image for an example and as you can see those 9 devices did not have data for x amount of time. they are all in different locations but the location of the server itself did not experience any issues either, which is odd to me.
On Apr 24, 2014, at 9:19 PM, Adam Armstrong adama@memetic.org wrote:
Hi Luis,
It's not clear what you're talking about. Please provide screenshots and/or other examples.
adam.
On 2014-04-24 21:21, Luis Quintana wrote:
So, is anyone experiencing any issues running on observium on a vm? I submitted an email a month or two ago about some issues we were seeing, and i decided to reinstall observium from scratch. Currently i am seeing the same issues, whereby it "appears" that connectivity drops or isnt captured randomly. it's not across one device, but all. i am wondering if maybe i didnt build the vm appropriately or we really are having a network type issue. ive looked at the network but maybe i am overlooking something. anything on the vm side that maybe i can look at? i am running ubuntu 13.04 and the latest observium code as of yesterday. _______________________________________________ observium mailing list observium@observium.org http://postman.memetic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/observium _______________________________________________ observium mailing list observium@observium.org http://postman.memetic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/observium
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The limit is all based on the your VM backend. The better your server/San the longer you can run Observium in a VM. We had to move to hardware b/c our San could not keep up, the drives was to slow. On Apr 24, 2014 10:51 PM, "Adam Armstrong" adama@memetic.org wrote:
I have no idea what that graph is...
adam.
On 2014-04-24 21:35, Luis Quintana wrote:
Sorry, Adam. I might not have expressed it properly. Basically, i am seeing continuous gaps of data, with no related network type events. So I am wondering if it is vm related at this point, or maybe it "is" network related and we are just overlooking something? attached is an image for an example and as you can see those 9 devices did not have data for x amount of time. they are all in different locations but the location of the server itself did not experience any issues either, which is odd to me.
On Apr 24, 2014, at 9:19 PM, Adam Armstrong adama@memetic.org wrote:
Hi Luis,
It's not clear what you're talking about. Please provide screenshots and/or other examples.
adam.
On 2014-04-24 21:21, Luis Quintana wrote:
So, is anyone experiencing any issues running on observium on a vm? I submitted an email a month or two ago about some issues we were seeing, and i decided to reinstall observium from scratch. Currently i am seeing the same issues, whereby it "appears" that connectivity drops or isnt captured randomly. it's not across one device, but all. i am wondering if maybe i didnt build the vm appropriately or we really are having a network type issue. ive looked at the network but maybe i am overlooking something. anything on the vm side that maybe i can look at? i am running ubuntu 13.04 and the latest observium code as of yesterday. _______________________________________________ observium mailing list observium@observium.org http://postman.memetic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/observium _______________________________________________ observium mailing list observium@observium.org http://postman.memetic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/observium
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thanks for the info zach…im thinking it may be vm related at this point and my have to dedicate a device for it... On Apr 24, 2014, at 9:55 PM, Zach Underwood zunder1990@gmail.com wrote:
The limit is all based on the your VM backend. The better your server/San the longer you can run Observium in a VM. We had to move to hardware b/c our San could not keep up, the drives was to slow.
On Apr 24, 2014 10:51 PM, "Adam Armstrong" adama@memetic.org wrote:
I have no idea what that graph is...
adam.
On 2014-04-24 21:35, Luis Quintana wrote: Sorry, Adam. I might not have expressed it properly. Basically, i am seeing continuous gaps of data, with no related network type events. So I am wondering if it is vm related at this point, or maybe it "is" network related and we are just overlooking something? attached is an image for an example and as you can see those 9 devices did not have data for x amount of time. they are all in different locations but the location of the server itself did not experience any issues either, which is odd to me.
On Apr 24, 2014, at 9:19 PM, Adam Armstrong adama@memetic.org wrote:
Hi Luis,
It's not clear what you're talking about. Please provide screenshots and/or other examples.
adam.
On 2014-04-24 21:21, Luis Quintana wrote:
So, is anyone experiencing any issues running on observium on a vm? I submitted an email a month or two ago about some issues we were seeing, and i decided to reinstall observium from scratch. Currently i am seeing the same issues, whereby it "appears" that connectivity drops or isnt captured randomly. it's not across one device, but all. i am wondering if maybe i didnt build the vm appropriately or we really are having a network type issue. ive looked at the network but maybe i am overlooking something. anything on the vm side that maybe i can look at? i am running ubuntu 13.04 and the latest observium code as of yesterday. _______________________________________________ observium mailing list observium@observium.org http://postman.memetic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/observium _______________________________________________ observium mailing list observium@observium.org http://postman.memetic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/observium
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lol…just 9 or so of my devices that show what im talking about, a complete disconnect of data for a certain amount of time, whilst no network type issues seen..wondering if it may be vm related...
On Apr 24, 2014, at 9:47 PM, Adam Armstrong adama@memetic.org wrote:
I have no idea what that graph is...
adam.
On 2014-04-24 21:35, Luis Quintana wrote:
Sorry, Adam. I might not have expressed it properly. Basically, i am seeing continuous gaps of data, with no related network type events. So I am wondering if it is vm related at this point, or maybe it "is" network related and we are just overlooking something? attached is an image for an example and as you can see those 9 devices did not have data for x amount of time. they are all in different locations but the location of the server itself did not experience any issues either, which is odd to me. On Apr 24, 2014, at 9:19 PM, Adam Armstrong adama@memetic.org wrote: Hi Luis, It's not clear what you're talking about. Please provide screenshots and/or other examples. adam. On 2014-04-24 21:21, Luis Quintana wrote: So, is anyone experiencing any issues running on observium on a vm? I submitted an email a month or two ago about some issues we were seeing, and i decided to reinstall observium from scratch. Currently i am seeing the same issues, whereby it "appears" that connectivity drops or isnt captured randomly. it's not across one device, but all. i am wondering if maybe i didnt build the vm appropriately or we really are having a network type issue. ive looked at the network but maybe i am overlooking something. anything on the vm side that maybe i can look at? i am running ubuntu 13.04 and the latest observium code as of yesterday. _______________________________________________ observium mailing list observium@observium.org http://postman.memetic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/observium _______________________________________________ observium mailing list observium@observium.org http://postman.memetic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/observium _______________________________________________ observium mailing list observium@observium.org http://postman.memetic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/observium
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It's difficult to get a gap of more than 10-15 minutes without a network outage. If you have frequent random gaps, it's probably that the poller isn't completing fast enough and runs aren't the correct interval apart.
That looks very, very much like network connectivity. If it was resource related, it would be far more intermittent and random.
Also, your VM would likely melt if it wasn't finishing poller runs fast enough.
adam.
On 2014-04-24 22:20, Luis Quintana wrote:
lol…just 9 or so of my devices that show what im talking about, a complete disconnect of data for a certain amount of time, whilst no network type issues seen..wondering if it may be vm related...
On Apr 24, 2014, at 9:47 PM, Adam Armstrong adama@memetic.org wrote:
I have no idea what that graph is...
adam.
On 2014-04-24 21:35, Luis Quintana wrote: Sorry, Adam. I might not have expressed it properly. Basically, i am seeing continuous gaps of data, with no related network type events. So I am wondering if it is vm related at this point, or maybe it "is" network related and we are just overlooking something? attached is an image for an example and as you can see those 9 devices did not have data for x amount of time. they are all in different locations but the location of the server itself did not experience any issues either, which is odd to me. On Apr 24, 2014, at 9:19 PM, Adam Armstrong adama@memetic.org wrote: Hi Luis, It's not clear what you're talking about. Please provide screenshots and/or other examples. adam. On 2014-04-24 21:21, Luis Quintana wrote: So, is anyone experiencing any issues running on observium on a vm? I submitted an email a month or two ago about some issues we were seeing, and i decided to reinstall observium from scratch. Currently i am seeing the same issues, whereby it "appears" that connectivity drops or isnt captured randomly. it's not across one device, but all. i am wondering if maybe i didnt build the vm appropriately or we really are having a network type issue. ive looked at the network but maybe i am overlooking something. anything on the vm side that maybe i can look at? i am running ubuntu 13.04 and the latest observium code as of yesterday. _______________________________________________ observium mailing list observium@observium.org http://postman.memetic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/observium _______________________________________________ observium mailing list observium@observium.org http://postman.memetic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/observium _______________________________________________ observium mailing list observium@observium.org http://postman.memetic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/observium _______________________________________________ observium mailing list observium@observium.org http://postman.memetic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/observium
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Thanks for the input. I'll source through the environment to see if I overlooked something.
On Apr 24, 2014, at 11:02 PM, Adam Armstrong adama@memetic.org wrote:
It's difficult to get a gap of more than 10-15 minutes without a network outage. If you have frequent random gaps, it's probably that the poller isn't completing fast enough and runs aren't the correct interval apart.
That looks very, very much like network connectivity. If it was resource related, it would be far more intermittent and random.
Also, your VM would likely melt if it wasn't finishing poller runs fast enough.
adam.
On 2014-04-24 22:20, Luis Quintana wrote:
lol…just 9 or so of my devices that show what im talking about, a complete disconnect of data for a certain amount of time, whilst no network type issues seen..wondering if it may be vm related... On Apr 24, 2014, at 9:47 PM, Adam Armstrong adama@memetic.org wrote: I have no idea what that graph is... adam. On 2014-04-24 21:35, Luis Quintana wrote: Sorry, Adam. I might not have expressed it properly. Basically, i am seeing continuous gaps of data, with no related network type events. So I am wondering if it is vm related at this point, or maybe it "is" network related and we are just overlooking something? attached is an image for an example and as you can see those 9 devices did not have data for x amount of time. they are all in different locations but the location of the server itself did not experience any issues either, which is odd to me. On Apr 24, 2014, at 9:19 PM, Adam Armstrong adama@memetic.org wrote: Hi Luis, It's not clear what you're talking about. Please provide screenshots and/or other examples. adam. On 2014-04-24 21:21, Luis Quintana wrote: So, is anyone experiencing any issues running on observium on a vm? I submitted an email a month or two ago about some issues we were seeing, and i decided to reinstall observium from scratch. Currently i am seeing the same issues, whereby it "appears" that connectivity drops or isnt captured randomly. it's not across one device, but all. i am wondering if maybe i didnt build the vm appropriately or we really are having a network type issue. ive looked at the network but maybe i am overlooking something. anything on the vm side that maybe i can look at? i am running ubuntu 13.04 and the latest observium code as of yesterday. _______________________________________________ observium mailing list observium@observium.org http://postman.memetic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/observium _______________________________________________ observium mailing list observium@observium.org http://postman.memetic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/observium _______________________________________________ observium mailing list observium@observium.org http://postman.memetic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/observium _______________________________________________ observium mailing list observium@observium.org http://postman.memetic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/observium _______________________________________________ observium mailing list observium@observium.org http://postman.memetic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/observium
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Hi,
We run Observium as a VM and have the same kind of drop every time VMware takes a snapshot. Check the time the last snapshot was taken.
Erik
From: observium [mailto:observium-bounces@observium.org] On Behalf Of Luis Quintana Sent: 25. april 2014 04:36 To: Observium Network Observation System Subject: Re: [Observium] VM and Observium
Sorry, Adam. I might not have expressed it properly. Basically, i am seeing continuous gaps of data, with no related network type events. So I am wondering if it is vm related at this point, or maybe it "is" network related and we are just overlooking something? attached is an image for an example and as you can see those 9 devices did not have data for x amount of time. they are all in different locations but the location of the server itself did not experience any issues either, which is odd to me.
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On Apr 24, 2014, at 9:19 PM, Adam Armstrong <adama@memetic.orgmailto:adama@memetic.org> wrote:
Hi Luis,
It's not clear what you're talking about. Please provide screenshots and/or other examples.
adam.
On 2014-04-24 21:21, Luis Quintana wrote:
So, is anyone experiencing any issues running on observium on a vm? I submitted an email a month or two ago about some issues we were seeing, and i decided to reinstall observium from scratch. Currently i am seeing the same issues, whereby it "appears" that connectivity drops or isnt captured randomly. it's not across one device, but all. i am wondering if maybe i didnt build the vm appropriately or we really are having a network type issue. ive looked at the network but maybe i am overlooking something. anything on the vm side that maybe i can look at? i am running ubuntu 13.04 and the latest observium code as of yesterday. _______________________________________________ observium mailing list observium@observium.orgmailto:observium@observium.org http://postman.memetic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/observium _______________________________________________ observium mailing list observium@observium.orgmailto:observium@observium.org http://postman.memetic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/observium
good to know. i will look at that as well
On Apr 25, 2014, at 1:38 AM, Erik INGEBERG eri@steria.no wrote:
Hi,
We run Observium as a VM and have the same kind of drop every time VMware takes a snapshot. Check the time the last snapshot was taken.
Erik
From: observium [mailto:observium-bounces@observium.org] On Behalf Of Luis Quintana Sent: 25. april 2014 04:36 To: Observium Network Observation System Subject: Re: [Observium] VM and Observium
Sorry, Adam. I might not have expressed it properly. Basically, i am seeing continuous gaps of data, with no related network type events. So I am wondering if it is vm related at this point, or maybe it "is" network related and we are just overlooking something? attached is an image for an example and as you can see those 9 devices did not have data for x amount of time. they are all in different locations but the location of the server itself did not experience any issues either, which is odd to me.
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On Apr 24, 2014, at 9:19 PM, Adam Armstrong adama@memetic.org wrote:
Hi Luis,
It's not clear what you're talking about. Please provide screenshots and/or other examples.
adam.
On 2014-04-24 21:21, Luis Quintana wrote:
So, is anyone experiencing any issues running on observium on a vm? I submitted an email a month or two ago about some issues we were seeing, and i decided to reinstall observium from scratch. Currently i am seeing the same issues, whereby it "appears" that connectivity drops or isnt captured randomly. it's not across one device, but all. i am wondering if maybe i didnt build the vm appropriately or we really are having a network type issue. ive looked at the network but maybe i am overlooking something. anything on the vm side that maybe i can look at? i am running ubuntu 13.04 and the latest observium code as of yesterday. _______________________________________________ observium mailing list observium@observium.org http://postman.memetic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/observium _______________________________________________ observium mailing list observium@observium.org http://postman.memetic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/observium
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just as a brief example, it looks like all of these devices did not receive any data during the same amount of time..yet no network issues that i could find etc…any guidance?
On Apr 24, 2014, at 9:21 PM, Luis Quintana sla07@earthlink.net wrote:
So, is anyone experiencing any issues running on observium on a vm? I submitted an email a month or two ago about some issues we were seeing, and i decided to reinstall observium from scratch. Currently i am seeing the same issues, whereby it "appears" that connectivity drops or isnt captured randomly. it's not across one device, but all. i am wondering if maybe i didnt build the vm appropriately or we really are having a network type issue. ive looked at the network but maybe i am overlooking something. anything on the vm side that maybe i can look at? i am running ubuntu 13.04 and the latest observium code as of yesterday. _______________________________________________ observium mailing list observium@observium.org http://postman.memetic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/observium
I ran observium in a VMware based VM for about a year. We slowly out grow it. We now are running it on a dell server with ssd. A VM is a great place to start but remember you WILL have to move it to hardware. On Apr 24, 2014 10:22 PM, "Luis Quintana" sla07@earthlink.net wrote:
So, is anyone experiencing any issues running on observium on a vm? I submitted an email a month or two ago about some issues we were seeing, and i decided to reinstall observium from scratch. Currently i am seeing the same issues, whereby it "appears" that connectivity drops or isnt captured randomly. it's not across one device, but all. i am wondering if maybe i didnt build the vm appropriately or we really are having a network type issue. ive looked at the network but maybe i am overlooking something. anything on the vm side that maybe i can look at? i am running ubuntu 13.04 and the latest observium code as of yesterday. _______________________________________________ observium mailing list observium@observium.org http://postman.memetic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/observium
thanks zach. very good to know. is there a limitation that i should be concerned with based on amount of devices or is it memory/cpu related more than anything?
PS im not a server guy by any means so this area is just me trying to figure sh*t out :)
On Apr 24, 2014, at 9:25 PM, Zach Underwood zunder1990@gmail.com wrote:
I ran observium in a VMware based VM for about a year. We slowly out grow it. We now are running it on a dell server with ssd. A VM is a great place to start but remember you WILL have to move it to hardware.
On Apr 24, 2014 10:22 PM, "Luis Quintana" sla07@earthlink.net wrote: So, is anyone experiencing any issues running on observium on a vm? I submitted an email a month or two ago about some issues we were seeing, and i decided to reinstall observium from scratch. Currently i am seeing the same issues, whereby it "appears" that connectivity drops or isnt captured randomly. it's not across one device, but all. i am wondering if maybe i didnt build the vm appropriately or we really are having a network type issue. ive looked at the network but maybe i am overlooking something. anything on the vm side that maybe i can look at? i am running ubuntu 13.04 and the latest observium code as of yesterday. _______________________________________________ observium mailing list observium@observium.org http://postman.memetic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/observium _______________________________________________ observium mailing list observium@observium.org http://postman.memetic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/observium
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