We have many Ricoh printers and copiers. Because SNMP is horrible on these devices I am unable to set the System Name (sysName). Is there a way to set this manually in Observium?
Why would you want to?
Adam.
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On 8 Feb 2017, 18:50, at 18:50, Dan Letkeman danletkeman@gmail.com wrote:
We have many Ricoh printers and copiers. Because SNMP is horrible on these devices I am unable to set the System Name (sysName). Is there a way to set this manually in Observium?
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Because SNMP on these devices is unable to get any identifiable name such as Device Name, System Name or Host Name.
On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 12:52 PM, Adam Armstrong adama@memetic.org wrote:
Why would you want to?
Adam.
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We have many Ricoh printers and copiers. Because SNMP is horrible on these devices I am unable to set the System Name (sysName). Is there a way to set this manually in Observium?
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DNS (or host file) could do that for you. Sounds to me like you are adding the device by IP address only.
Bit of a hornets nest, but this is one of the reasons why the guys were so rigid on DNS for so long.
Michael
On 9 Feb 2017, at 6:21 am, Dan Letkeman danletkeman@gmail.com wrote:
Because SNMP on these devices is unable to get any identifiable name such as Device Name, System Name or Host Name.
On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 12:52 PM, Adam Armstrong adama@memetic.org wrote: Why would you want to?
Adam.
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You are trying to solve a problem which doesn't exist.
Devices are identified by hostname.
sysName is just an ancillary piece of information which is used for dupe detection and auto detection. It's not useful for humans, really.
Adam.
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On 8 Feb 2017, 19:21, at 19:21, Dan Letkeman danletkeman@gmail.com wrote:
Because SNMP on these devices is unable to get any identifiable name such as Device Name, System Name or Host Name.
On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 12:52 PM, Adam Armstrong adama@memetic.org wrote:
Why would you want to?
Adam.
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We have many Ricoh printers and copiers. Because SNMP is horrible
on
these devices I am unable to set the System Name (sysName). Is
there a way
to set this manually in Observium?
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"Devices are identified by hostname"
^^^^ Thats the problem. There is none.
I'm looking for an alternative way to identify the device in observium because they are added by IP address. For many, many reasons we don't use DNS on these devices, which I really don't want to get into. But it looks like that will be the only option at this point.
On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 1:35 PM, Adam Armstrong adama@memetic.org wrote:
You are trying to solve a problem which doesn't exist.
Devices are identified by hostname.
sysName is just an ancillary piece of information which is used for dupe detection and auto detection. It's not useful for humans, really.
Adam.
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Because SNMP on these devices is unable to get any identifiable name such as Device Name, System Name or Host Name.
On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 12:52 PM, Adam Armstrong adama@memetic.org wrote:
Why would you want to?
Adam.
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We have many Ricoh printers and copiers. Because SNMP is horrible on these devices I am unable to set the System Name (sysName). Is there a way to set this manually in Observium?
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Don't add things by IP address.
Don't make nonsense excuses either. If you have to, use /etc/hosts.
Putting ip addresses into observium is inexcusable in virtually all instances.
Adam.
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On 8 Feb 2017, 20:05, at 20:05, Dan Letkeman danletkeman@gmail.com wrote:
"Devices are identified by hostname"
^^^^ Thats the problem. There is none.
I'm looking for an alternative way to identify the device in observium because they are added by IP address. For many, many reasons we don't use DNS on these devices, which I really don't want to get into. But it looks like that will be the only option at this point.
On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 1:35 PM, Adam Armstrong adama@memetic.org wrote:
You are trying to solve a problem which doesn't exist.
Devices are identified by hostname.
sysName is just an ancillary piece of information which is used for
dupe
detection and auto detection. It's not useful for humans, really.
Adam.
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Because SNMP on these devices is unable to get any identifiable name
such
as Device Name, System Name or Host Name.
On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 12:52 PM, Adam Armstrong adama@memetic.org wrote:
Why would you want to?
Adam.
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wrote:
We have many Ricoh printers and copiers. Because SNMP is horrible
on
these devices I am unable to set the System Name (sysName). Is
there a way
to set this manually in Observium?
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I guess its too late, because I already added them and made the excuses. Now I have something to fix. :)
On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 2:51 PM, Adam Armstrong adama@memetic.org wrote:
Don't add things by IP address.
Don't make nonsense excuses either. If you have to, use /etc/hosts.
Putting ip addresses into observium is inexcusable in virtually all instances.
Adam.
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"Devices are identified by hostname"
^^^^ Thats the problem. There is none.
I'm looking for an alternative way to identify the device in observium because they are added by IP address. For many, many reasons we don't use DNS on these devices, which I really don't want to get into. But it looks like that will be the only option at this point.
On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 1:35 PM, Adam Armstrong adama@memetic.org wrote:
You are trying to solve a problem which doesn't exist.
Devices are identified by hostname.
sysName is just an ancillary piece of information which is used for dupe detection and auto detection. It's not useful for humans, really.
Adam.
Sent from BlueMail http://www.bluemail.me/r On 8 Feb 2017, at 19:21, Dan Letkeman danletkeman@gmail.com wrote:
Because SNMP on these devices is unable to get any identifiable name such as Device Name, System Name or Host Name.
On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 12:52 PM, Adam Armstrong adama@memetic.org wrote:
Why would you want to?
Adam.
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We have many Ricoh printers and copiers. Because SNMP is horrible on these devices I am unable to set the System Name (sysName). Is there a way to set this manually in Observium?
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Can the IP addresses be changed to resolvable names, or is the strategy to nuke the entry and start over? I've made the same bonehead move for several entries.
On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 4:05 PM, Dan Letkeman danletkeman@gmail.com wrote:
I guess its too late, because I already added them and made the excuses. Now I have something to fix. :)
On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 2:51 PM, Adam Armstrong adama@memetic.org wrote:
Don't add things by IP address.
Don't make nonsense excuses either. If you have to, use /etc/hosts.
Putting ip addresses into observium is inexcusable in virtually all instances.
Adam.
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"Devices are identified by hostname"
^^^^ Thats the problem. There is none.
I'm looking for an alternative way to identify the device in observium because they are added by IP address. For many, many reasons we don't use DNS on these devices, which I really don't want to get into. But it looks like that will be the only option at this point.
On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 1:35 PM, Adam Armstrong adama@memetic.org wrote:
You are trying to solve a problem which doesn't exist.
Devices are identified by hostname.
sysName is just an ancillary piece of information which is used for dupe detection and auto detection. It's not useful for humans, really.
Adam.
Sent from BlueMail http://www.bluemail.me/r On 8 Feb 2017, at 19:21, Dan Letkeman danletkeman@gmail.com wrote:
Because SNMP on these devices is unable to get any identifiable name such as Device Name, System Name or Host Name.
On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 12:52 PM, Adam Armstrong adama@memetic.org wrote:
Why would you want to?
Adam.
Sent from BlueMail http://www.bluemail.me/r On 8 Feb 2017, at 18:50, Dan Letkeman danletkeman@gmail.com wrote: > > We have many Ricoh printers and copiers. Because SNMP is horrible > on these devices I am unable to set the System Name (sysName). Is there a > way to set this manually in Observium? > > > ------------------------------ > > observium mailing list > observium@observium.org > http://postman.memetic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/observium > > _______________________________________________ observium mailing list observium@observium.org http://postman.memetic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/observium
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There's a CLI script which will rename hosts.
Needs to be done on CLI to rename the rrd directory.
Adam.
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On 8 Feb 2017, 21:14, at 21:14, Philippe Laurent pbl@ideos.com wrote:
Can the IP addresses be changed to resolvable names, or is the strategy to nuke the entry and start over? I've made the same bonehead move for several entries.
On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 4:05 PM, Dan Letkeman danletkeman@gmail.com wrote:
I guess its too late, because I already added them and made the
excuses.
Now I have something to fix. :)
On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 2:51 PM, Adam Armstrong adama@memetic.org
wrote:
Don't add things by IP address.
Don't make nonsense excuses either. If you have to, use /etc/hosts.
Putting ip addresses into observium is inexcusable in virtually all instances.
Adam.
Sent from BlueMail http://www.bluemail.me/r On 8 Feb 2017, at 20:05, Dan Letkeman danletkeman@gmail.com wrote:
"Devices are identified by hostname"
^^^^ Thats the problem. There is none.
I'm looking for an alternative way to identify the device in
observium
because they are added by IP address. For many, many reasons we
don't use
DNS on these devices, which I really don't want to get into. But
it looks
like that will be the only option at this point.
On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 1:35 PM, Adam Armstrong adama@memetic.org wrote:
You are trying to solve a problem which doesn't exist.
Devices are identified by hostname.
sysName is just an ancillary piece of information which is used
for
dupe detection and auto detection. It's not useful for humans,
really.
Adam.
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wrote:
Because SNMP on these devices is unable to get any identifiable
name
such as Device Name, System Name or Host Name.
On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 12:52 PM, Adam Armstrong
wrote:
> Why would you want to? > > Adam. > > Sent from BlueMail http://www.bluemail.me/r > On 8 Feb 2017, at 18:50, Dan Letkeman danletkeman@gmail.com
wrote:
>> >> We have many Ricoh printers and copiers. Because SNMP is
horrible
>> on these devices I am unable to set the System Name (sysName).
Is there a
>> way to set this manually in Observium? >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> observium mailing list >> observium@observium.org >> http://postman.memetic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/observium >> >> > _______________________________________________ > observium mailing list > observium@observium.org > http://postman.memetic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/observium >
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Hi Adam,
since this bothered me more than once: why don't you just use e.g. device_49 as the folder name instead of the device' hostname? This would make renaming in the panel possible since folder names are not connected anymore to the hostname.
Jeff
Am 08.02.2017 um 22:20 schrieb Adam Armstrong:
There's a CLI script which will rename hosts.
Needs to be done on CLI to rename the rrd directory.
Adam.
Sent from BlueMail http://www.bluemail.me/r On 8 Feb 2017, at 21:14, Philippe Laurent <pbl@ideos.com mailto:pbl@ideos.com> wrote:
Can the IP addresses be changed to resolvable names, or is the strategy to nuke the entry and start over? I've made the same bonehead move for several entries. On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 4:05 PM, Dan Letkeman <danletkeman@gmail.com <mailto:danletkeman@gmail.com>> wrote: I guess its too late, because I already added them and made the excuses. Now I have something to fix. :) On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 2:51 PM, Adam Armstrong <adama@memetic.org <mailto:adama@memetic.org>> wrote: Don't add things by IP address. Don't make nonsense excuses either. If you have to, use /etc/hosts. Putting ip addresses into observium is inexcusable in virtually all instances. Adam. Sent from BlueMail <http://www.bluemail.me/r> On 8 Feb 2017, at 20:05, Dan Letkeman <danletkeman@gmail.com <mailto:danletkeman@gmail.com>> wrote: "Devices are identified by hostname" ^^^^ Thats the problem. There is none. I'm looking for an alternative way to identify the device in observium because they are added by IP address. For many, many reasons we don't use DNS on these devices, which I really don't want to get into. But it looks like that will be the only option at this point. On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 1:35 PM, Adam Armstrong <adama@memetic.org <mailto:adama@memetic.org>> wrote: You are trying to solve a problem which doesn't exist. Devices are identified by hostname. sysName is just an ancillary piece of information which is used for dupe detection and auto detection. It's not useful for humans, really. Adam. Sent from BlueMail <http://www.bluemail.me/r> On 8 Feb 2017, at 19:21, Dan Letkeman <danletkeman@gmail.com <mailto:danletkeman@gmail.com>> wrote: Because SNMP on these devices is unable to get any identifiable name such as Device Name, System Name or Host Name. On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 12:52 PM, Adam Armstrong <adama@memetic.org <mailto:adama@memetic.org>> wrote: Why would you want to? Adam. Sent from BlueMail <http://www.bluemail.me/r> On 8 Feb 2017, at 18:50, Dan Letkeman <danletkeman@gmail.com <mailto:danletkeman@gmail.com>> wrote: We have many Ricoh printers and copiers. Because SNMP is horrible on these devices I am unable to set the System Name (sysName). Is there a way to set this manually in Observium? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ observium mailing list observium@observium.org <mailto:observium@observium.org> http://postman.memetic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/observium <http://postman.memetic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/observium> _______________________________________________ observium mailing list observium@observium.org <mailto:observium@observium.org> http://postman.memetic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/observium <http://postman.memetic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/observium> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ observium mailing list observium@observium.org <mailto:observium@observium.org> http://postman.memetic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/observium <http://postman.memetic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/observium> _______________________________________________ observium mailing list observium@observium.org <mailto:observium@observium.org> http://postman.memetic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/observium <http://postman.memetic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/observium> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ observium mailing list observium@observium.org <mailto:observium@observium.org> http://postman.memetic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/observium <http://postman.memetic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/observium> _______________________________________________ observium mailing list observium@observium.org <mailto:observium@observium.org> http://postman.memetic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/observium <http://postman.memetic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/observium> _______________________________________________ observium mailing list observium@observium.org <mailto:observium@observium.org> http://postman.memetic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/observium <http://postman.memetic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/observium> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ observium mailing list observium@observium.org http://postman.memetic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/observium
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Delete device
Re add device
Realise why your suggestion is the most annoying thing on earth.
Adam.
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Hi Adam,
since this bothered me more than once: why don't you just use e.g. device_49 as the folder name instead of the device' hostname? This would make renaming in the panel possible since folder names are not connected anymore to the hostname.
Jeff
Am 08.02.2017 um 22:20 schrieb Adam Armstrong:
There's a CLI script which will rename hosts.
Needs to be done on CLI to rename the rrd directory.
Adam.
Sent from BlueMail http://www.bluemail.me/r On 8 Feb 2017, at 21:14, Philippe Laurent <pbl@ideos.com mailto:pbl@ideos.com> wrote:
Can the IP addresses be changed to resolvable names, or is the strategy to nuke the entry and start over? I've made the same bonehead move for several entries. On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 4:05 PM, Dan Letkeman<danletkeman@gmail.com
<mailto:danletkeman@gmail.com>> wrote: I guess its too late, because I already added them and madethe
excuses. Now I have something to fix. :) On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 2:51 PM, Adam Armstrong <adama@memetic.org <mailto:adama@memetic.org>> wrote: Don't add things by IP address. Don't make nonsense excuses either. If you have to, use /etc/hosts. Putting ip addresses into observium is inexcusable in virtually all instances. Adam. Sent from BlueMail <http://www.bluemail.me/r> On 8 Feb 2017, at 20:05, Dan Letkeman<danletkeman@gmail.com
<mailto:danletkeman@gmail.com>> wrote: "Devices are identified by hostname" ^^^^ Thats the problem. There is none. I'm looking for an alternative way to identify the device in observium because they are added by IP address. For many, many reasons we don't use DNS on these devices, which I really don't want to get into. But it looks like that will be the only option atthis
point. On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 1:35 PM, Adam Armstrong <adama@memetic.org <mailto:adama@memetic.org>> wrote: You are trying to solve a problem which doesn'texist.
Devices are identified by hostname. sysName is just an ancillary piece of information which is used for dupe detection and autodetection.
It's not useful for humans, really. Adam. Sent from BlueMail <http://www.bluemail.me/r> On 8 Feb 2017, at 19:21, Dan Letkeman <danletkeman@gmail.com <mailto:danletkeman@gmail.com>> wrote: Because SNMP on these devices is unable toget
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So you keep all RRD data when a device is deleted to re-use them when a device with the same hostname is re-added..?
Am 09.02.2017 um 00:30 schrieb Adam Armstrong:
Delete device
Re add device
Realise why your suggestion is the most annoying thing on earth.
Adam.
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Hi Adam, since this bothered me more than once: why don't you just use e.g. device_49 as the folder name instead of the device' hostname? This would make renaming in the panel possible since folder names are not connected anymore to the hostname. Jeff Am 08.02.2017 um 22:20 schrieb Adam Armstrong: There's a CLI script which will rename hosts. Needs to be done on CLI to rename the rrd directory. Adam. Sent from BlueMail <http://www.bluemail.me/r> On 8 Feb 2017, at 21:14, Philippe Laurent <pbl@ideos.com <mailto:pbl@ideos.com>> wrote: Can the IP addresses be changed to resolvable names, or is the strategy to nuke the entry and start over? I've made the same bonehead move for several entries. On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 4:05 PM, Dan Letkeman <danletkeman@gmail.com <mailto:danletkeman@gmail.com>> wrote: I guess its too late, because I already added them and made the excuses. Now I have something to fix. :) On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 2:51 PM, Adam Armstrong <adama@memetic.org <mailto:adama@memetic.org>> wrote: Don't add things by IP address. Don't make nonsense excuses either. If you have to, use /etc/hosts. Putting ip addresses into observium is inexcusable in virtually all instances. Adam. Sent from BlueMail <http://www.bluemail.me/r> On 8 Feb 2017, at 20:05, Dan Letkeman <danletkeman@gmail.com <mailto:danletkeman@gmail.com>> wrote: "Devices are identified by hostname" ^^^^ Thats the problem. There is none. I'm looking for an alternative way to identify the device in observium because they are added by IP address. For many, many reasons we don't use DNS on these devices, which I really don't want to get into. But it looks like that will be the only option at this point. On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 1:35 PM, Adam Armstrong <adama@memetic.org <mailto:adama@memetic.org>> wrote: You are trying to solve a problem which doesn't exist. Devices are identified by hostname. sysName is just an ancillary piece of information which is used for dupe detection and auto detection. It's not useful for humans, really. Adam. Sent from BlueMail <http://www.bluemail.me/r> On 8 Feb 2017, at 19:21, Dan Letkeman <danletkeman@gmail.com <mailto:danletkeman@gmail.com>> wrote: Because SNMP on these devices is unable to get any identifiable name such as Device Name, System Name or Host Name. On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 12:52 PM, Adam Armstrong <adama@memetic.org <mailto:adama@memetic.org>> wrote: Why would you want to? Adam. Sent from BlueMail <http://www.bluemail.me/r> On 8 Feb 2017, at 18:50, Dan Letkeman <danletkeman@gmail.com <mailto:danletkeman@gmail.com>> wrote: We have many Ricoh printers and copiers. Because SNMP is horrible on these devices I am unable to set the System Name (sysName). 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Yes, thats what I did.
On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 7:48 PM, Jeff Meyers Jeff.Meyers@gmx.net wrote:
So you keep all RRD data when a device is deleted to re-use them when a device with the same hostname is re-added..?
Am 09.02.2017 um 00:30 schrieb Adam Armstrong:
Delete device
Re add device
Realise why your suggestion is the most annoying thing on earth.
Adam.
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Hi Adam, since this bothered me more than once: why don't you just use e.g. device_49 as the folder name instead of the device' hostname? Thiswould make renaming in the panel possible since folder names are not connected anymore to the hostname.
Jeff Am 08.02.2017 um 22:20 schrieb Adam Armstrong: There's a CLI script which will rename hosts. Needs to be done on CLI to rename the rrd directory. Adam. Sent from BlueMail <http://www.bluemail.me/r> On 8 Feb 2017, at 21:14, Philippe Laurent <pbl@ideos.com <mailto:pbl@ideos.com>> wrote: Can the IP addresses be changed to resolvable names, or is the strategy to nuke the entry and start over? I've made the same bonehead move for several entries. On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 4:05 PM, Dan Letkeman <danletkeman@gmail.com mailto:danletkeman@gmail.com> wrote:
I guess its too late, because I already added them and made the excuses. Now I have something to fix. :) On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 2:51 PM, Adam Armstrong <adama@memetic.org <mailto:adama@memetic.org>> wrote: Don't add things by IP address. Don't make nonsense excuses either. If you have to, use /etc/hosts. Putting ip addresses into observium is inexcusable in virtually all instances. Adam. Sent from BlueMail <http://www.bluemail.me/r> On 8 Feb 2017, at 20:05, Dan Letkeman <danletkeman@gmail.com <mailto:danletkeman@gmail.com>> wrote: "Devices are identified by hostname" ^^^^ Thats the problem. There is none. I'm looking for an alternative way to identify the device in observium because they are added by IP address. For many, many reasons we don't use DNS on these devices, which I really don't want to get into. But it looks like that will be the only option at this point. On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 1:35 PM, Adam Armstrong <adama@memetic.org <mailto:adama@memetic.org>> wrote: You are trying to solve a problem which doesn't exist. Devices are identified by hostname. sysName is just an ancillary piece of information which is used for dupe detection and auto detection. It's not useful for humans, really. Adam. Sent from BlueMail <http://www.bluemail.me/r> On 8 Feb 2017, at 19:21, Dan Letkeman <danletkeman@gmail.com <mailto:danletkeman@gmail.com>> wrote: Because SNMP on these devices is unable to get any identifiable name such as Device Name, System Name or Host Name. On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 12:52 PM, Adam Armstrong <adama@memetic.org <mailto:adama@memetic.org>> wrote: Why would you want to? Adam. Sent from BlueMail <http://www.bluemail.me/r> On 8 Feb 2017, at 18:50, Dan Letkeman <danletkeman@gmail.com <mailto:danletkeman@gmail.com>> wrote: We have many Ricoh printers and copiers. Because SNMP is horrible on these devices I am unable to set the System Name (sysName). Is there a way to set this manually in Observium? ------------------------------------------------------------
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Naming device directories by an arbitrary database id is beyond stupid.
I literally don't even.
Adam.
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On 9 Feb 2017, 01:48, at 01:48, Jeff Meyers Jeff.Meyers@gmx.net wrote:
So you keep all RRD data when a device is deleted to re-use them when a
device with the same hostname is re-added..?
Am 09.02.2017 um 00:30 schrieb Adam Armstrong:
Delete device
Re add device
Realise why your suggestion is the most annoying thing on earth.
Adam.
Sent from BlueMail http://www.bluemail.me/r On 8 Feb 2017, at 23:23, Jeff Meyers <Jeff.Meyers@gmx.net mailto:Jeff.Meyers@gmx.net> wrote:
Hi Adam, since this bothered me more than once: why don't you just usee.g.
device_49 as the folder name instead of the device' hostname?This would
make renaming in the panel possible since folder names are notconnected
anymore to the hostname. Jeff Am 08.02.2017 um 22:20 schrieb Adam Armstrong: There's a CLI script which will rename hosts. Needs to be done on CLI to rename the rrd directory. Adam. Sent from BlueMail <http://www.bluemail.me/r> On 8 Feb 2017, at 21:14, Philippe Laurent <pbl@ideos.com <mailto:pbl@ideos.com>> wrote: Can the IP addresses be changed to resolvable names, or isthe
strategy to nuke the entry and start over? I've made the same bonehead move for several entries. On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 4:05 PM, Dan Letkeman<danletkeman@gmail.com
<mailto:danletkeman@gmail.com>> wrote: I guess its too late, because I already added them and madethe
excuses. Now I have something to fix. :) On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 2:51 PM, Adam Armstrong <adama@memetic.org <mailto:adama@memetic.org>> wrote: Don't add things by IP address. Don't make nonsense excuses either. If you have to, use /etc/hosts. Putting ip addresses into observium is inexcusable in virtually all instances. Adam. Sent from BlueMail <http://www.bluemail.me/r> On 8 Feb 2017, at 20:05, Dan Letkeman <danletkeman@gmail.com <mailto:danletkeman@gmail.com>> wrote: "Devices are identified by hostname" ^^^^ Thats the problem. There is none. I'm looking for an alternative way to identify the device in observium because they are added by IP address. For many, many reasons we don't use DNS on these devices, which I really don't want to get into. But it looks like that will be the only option at this point. On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 1:35 PM, Adam Armstrong <adama@memetic.org <mailto:adama@memetic.org>> wrote: You are trying to solve a problem which doesn't exist. Devices are identified by hostname. sysName is just an ancillary piece of information which is used for dupe detection and auto detection. It's not useful for humans, really. Adam. Sent from BlueMail <http://www.bluemail.me/r> On 8 Feb 2017, at 19:21, Dan Letkeman <danletkeman@gmail.com <mailto:danletkeman@gmail.com>> wrote: Because SNMP on these devices is unable to get any identifiable name such as Device Name, System Name or Host Name. On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 12:52 PM, Adam Armstrong <adama@memetic.org <mailto:adama@memetic.org>> wrote: Why would you want to? Adam. Sent from BlueMail <http://www.bluemail.me/r> On 8 Feb 2017, at 18:50, Dan Letkeman <danletkeman@gmail.com <mailto:danletkeman@gmail.com>> wrote: We have many Ricoh printers and copiers. Because SNMP is horrible on these devices I am unable to set the System Name (sysName). Is there a way to set this manually in Observium?
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That's your opinion. Mine is that naming a directory by an arbitrary hostname is beyond stupid to use your words (which are unnecessarily insulting). The device ID does not change as long as the device - whatever it is called - exists. The hostname can change during lifetime for various reasons, the ID will never change.
But I don't want to discuss about this any further with you. You made your point in your unfriendly way and the case is closed.
Jeff.
Am 09.02.2017 um 03:45 schrieb Adam Armstrong:
Naming device directories by an arbitrary database id is beyond stupid.
I literally don't even.
Adam.
Sent from BlueMail http://www.bluemail.me/r On 9 Feb 2017, at 01:48, Jeff Meyers <Jeff.Meyers@gmx.net mailto:Jeff.Meyers@gmx.net> wrote:
So you keep all RRD data when a device is deleted to re-use them when a device with the same hostname is re-added..? Am 09.02.2017 um 00:30 schrieb Adam Armstrong: Delete device Re add device Realise why your suggestion is the most annoying thing on earth. Adam. Sent from BlueMail <http://www.bluemail.me/r> On 8 Feb 2017, at 23:23, Jeff Meyers <Jeff.Meyers@gmx.net <mailto:Jeff.Meyers@gmx.net>> wrote: Hi Adam, since this bothered me more than once: why don't you just use e.g. device_49 as the folder name instead of the device' hostname? This would make renaming in the panel possible since folder names are not connected anymore to the hostname. Jeff Am 08.02.2017 um 22:20 schrieb Adam Armstrong: There's a CLI script which will rename hosts. Needs to be done on CLI to rename the rrd directory. Adam. Sent from BlueMail <http://www.bluemail.me/r> On 8 Feb 2017, at 21:14, Philippe Laurent <pbl@ideos.com <mailto:pbl@ideos.com>> wrote: Can the IP addresses be changed to resolvable names, or is the strategy to nuke the entry and start over? I've made the same bonehead move for several entries. On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 4:05 PM, Dan Letkeman <danletkeman@gmail.com <mailto:danletkeman@gmail.com>> wrote: I guess its too late, because I already added them and made the excuses. Now I have something to fix. :) On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 2:51 PM, Adam Armstrong <adama@memetic.org <mailto:adama@memetic.org>> wrote: Don't add things by IP address. Don't make nonsense excuses either. If you have to, use /etc/hosts. Putting ip addresses into observium is inexcusable in virtually all instances. Adam. Sent from BlueMail <http://www.bluemail.me/r> On 8 Feb 2017, at 20:05, Dan Letkeman <danletkeman@gmail.com <mailto:danletkeman@gmail.com>> wrote: "Devices are identified by hostname" ^^^^ Thats the problem. There is none. I'm looking for an alternative way to identify the device in observium because they are added by IP address. For many, many reasons we don't use DNS on these devices, which I really don't want to get into. But it looks like that will be the only option at this point. On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 1:35 PM, Adam Armstrong <adama@memetic.org <mailto:adama@memetic.org>> wrote: You are trying to solve a problem which doesn't exist. Devices are identified by hostname. sysName is just an ancillary piece of information which is used for dupe detection and auto detection. It's not useful for humans, really. Adam. Sent from BlueMail <http://www.bluemail.me/r> On 8 Feb 2017, at 19:21, Dan Letkeman <danletkeman@gmail.com <mailto:danletkeman@gmail.com>> wrote: Because SNMP on these devices is unable to get any identifiable name such as Device Name, System Name or Host Name. On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 12:52 PM, Adam Armstrong <adama@memetic.org <mailto:adama@memetic.org>> wrote: Why would you want to? Adam. Sent from BlueMail <http://www.bluemail.me/r> On 8 Feb 2017, at 18:50, Dan Letkeman <danletkeman@gmail.com <mailto:danletkeman@gmail.com>> wrote: We have many Ricoh printers and copiers. Because SNMP is horrible on these devices I am unable to set the System Name (sysName). 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I've already given you a scenario where the id changes.
Another one would be when MySQL implodes and takes your database with it, or if MySQL updates happen to ruin your database in such a way that just clearing it and readding all of the devices makes sense.
The backup/restore process for observium is "db, config and RRD folder, or just the RRD folder in a disaster".
Naming device-specific directories by an arbitrary imaginary number instead of the very non-arbitrary hostname just because you think it's annoying the code changing hostname needs permission to write to the RRD folder is, well, stupid.
I honestly do not understand how people who work in this industry can forward nonsensical ideas like this. This kind of thing is the exact opposite of the sort of principles that should be adhered to, maintaining high levels of simplicity and visibility and manageability.
(Also, you can rename from the webui if your poller runs as the same user as apache)
Adam.
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That's your opinion. Mine is that naming a directory by an arbitrary hostname is beyond stupid to use your words (which are unnecessarily insulting). The device ID does not change as long as the device - whatever it is called - exists. The hostname can change during lifetime
for various reasons, the ID will never change.
But I don't want to discuss about this any further with you. You made your point in your unfriendly way and the case is closed.
Jeff.
Am 09.02.2017 um 03:45 schrieb Adam Armstrong:
Naming device directories by an arbitrary database id is beyond
stupid.
I literally don't even.
Adam.
Sent from BlueMail http://www.bluemail.me/r On 9 Feb 2017, at 01:48, Jeff Meyers <Jeff.Meyers@gmx.net mailto:Jeff.Meyers@gmx.net> wrote:
So you keep all RRD data when a device is deleted to re-use themwhen a
device with the same hostname is re-added..? Am 09.02.2017 um 00:30 schrieb Adam Armstrong: Delete device Re add device Realise why your suggestion is the most annoying thing onearth.
Adam. Sent from BlueMail <http://www.bluemail.me/r> On 8 Feb 2017, at 23:23, Jeff Meyers <Jeff.Meyers@gmx.net <mailto:Jeff.Meyers@gmx.net>> wrote: Hi Adam, since this bothered me more than once: why don't you just usee.g.
device_49 as the folder name instead of the device' hostname? This would make renaming in the panel possible since folder names arenot
connected anymore to the hostname. Jeff Am 08.02.2017 um 22:20 schrieb Adam Armstrong: There's a CLI script which will rename hosts. Needs to be done on CLI to rename the rrd directory. Adam. Sent from BlueMail <http://www.bluemail.me/r> On 8 Feb 2017, at 21:14, Philippe Laurent <pbl@ideos.com <mailto:pbl@ideos.com>> wrote: Can the IP addresses be changed to resolvable names, or isthe
strategy to nuke the entry and start over? I've made the same bonehead move for several entries. On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 4:05 PM, Dan Letkeman<danletkeman@gmail.com
<mailto:danletkeman@gmail.com>> wrote: I guess its too late, because I already added them and madethe
excuses. Now I have something to fix. :) On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 2:51 PM, Adam Armstrong <adama@memetic.org <mailto:adama@memetic.org>> wrote: Don't add things by IP address. Don't make nonsense excuses either. If you have to, use /etc/hosts. Putting ip addresses into observium is inexcusable in virtually all instances. Adam. Sent from BlueMail <http://www.bluemail.me/r> On 8 Feb 2017, at 20:05, Dan Letkeman <danletkeman@gmail.com <mailto:danletkeman@gmail.com>> wrote: "Devices are identified by hostname" ^^^^ Thats the problem. There is none. I'm looking for an alternative way to identify the device in observium because they are added by IP address. For many, many reasons we don't use DNS on these devices, which I really don't want to get into. But it looks like that will be the only option at this point. On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 1:35 PM, Adam Armstrong <adama@memetic.org <mailto:adama@memetic.org>> wrote: You are trying to solve a problem which doesn't exist. Devices are identified by hostname. sysName is just an ancillary piece of information which is used for dupe detection and auto detection. It's not useful for humans, really. Adam. Sent from BlueMail <http://www.bluemail.me/r> On 8 Feb 2017, at 19:21, Dan Letkeman <danletkeman@gmail.com <mailto:danletkeman@gmail.com>> wrote: Because SNMP on these devices is unable to get any identifiable name such as Device Name, System Name or Host Name. On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 12:52 PM, Adam Armstrong <adama@memetic.org <mailto:adama@memetic.org>> wrote: Why would you want to? Adam. Sent from BlueMail <http://www.bluemail.me/r> On 8 Feb 2017, at 18:50, Dan Letkeman <danletkeman@gmail.com <mailto:danletkeman@gmail.com>> wrote: We have many Ricoh printers and copiers. Because SNMP is horrible on these devices I am unable to set the System Name (sysName). Is there a way to set this manually in Observium?
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I've already given you a scenario where the id changes.
You named an edge case where one would
- delete a device - add the same device - wants all the old RRD data to be used despite the fact that there are gaps, maybe for a loooong time
Another one would be when MySQL implodes and takes your database with it, or if MySQL updates happen to ruin your database in such a way that just clearing it and readding all of the devices makes sense.
That's actually the reason why storing those kind of data in the database makes much more sense. But I understand the limitations of RRD and the comfort it brings with it since it's an out of the box solution for all the graphs.
But that's still *not* a real reason since your backup should contain the potentially ruined database as well. Restore it and you are good.
Naming device-specific directories by an arbitrary imaginary number instead of the very non-arbitrary hostname just because you think it's annoying the code changing hostname needs permission to write to the RRD folder is, well, stupid.
This might be your personal state but for sure not stupid. You may be aware that in your mysql database, you work with unique IDs as well and not with names. This is not only for performance reasons but because this is the only reliable and static item.
I honestly do not understand how people who work in this industry can forward nonsensical ideas like this. This kind of thing is the exact opposite of the sort of principles that should be adhered to, maintaining high levels of simplicity and visibility and manageability.
Well that's your opinion. I'm sure there are others next to mine. But now I understand your thinking and your personality better so thank you for your opinion.
Jeff.
Delete your account.
Adam.
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On 9 Feb 2017, 17:28, at 17:28, Jeff Meyers Jeff.Meyers@gmx.net wrote:
I've already given you a scenario where the id changes.
You named an edge case where one would
- delete a device
- add the same device
- wants all the old RRD data to be used despite the fact that there are
gaps, maybe for a loooong time
Another one would be when MySQL implodes and takes your database with
it, or if MySQL updates happen to ruin your database in such a way that just clearing it and readding all of the devices makes sense.
That's actually the reason why storing those kind of data in the database makes much more sense. But I understand the limitations of RRD
and the comfort it brings with it since it's an out of the box solution
for all the graphs.
But that's still *not* a real reason since your backup should contain the potentially ruined database as well. Restore it and you are good.
Naming device-specific directories by an arbitrary imaginary number
instead of the very non-arbitrary hostname just because you think it's annoying the code changing hostname needs permission to write to the RRD folder is, well, stupid.
This might be your personal state but for sure not stupid. You may be aware that in your mysql database, you work with unique IDs as well and
not with names. This is not only for performance reasons but because this is the only reliable and static item.
I honestly do not understand how people who work in this industry can
forward nonsensical ideas like this. This kind of thing is the exact opposite of the sort of principles that should be adhered to, maintaining high levels of simplicity and visibility and manageability.
Well that's your opinion. I'm sure there are others next to mine. But now I understand your thinking and your personality better so thank you
for your opinion.
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