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From: observium [mailto:observium-bounces@observium.org] On Behalf Of Tom Laermans Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 7:20 AM To: Observium Network Observation System Subject: Re: [Observium] Google Maps

Hi,

Thanks for your input, we'll consider removing the community version.

Tom

On 03/26/2014 04:11 AM, Kleber C. S. Coelho wrote:

Prezados, boa noite!

Gostaria de saber se ja é possível ativar o mapa do Google, igual ao da demostração, na página do observium, utilizando a versão comunitária.

Gostaria também de deixar uma mensagem de protesto contra a política de versões comunitárias e pagas. Eu até entendo os motivos, mas não concordo de forma alguma.

Se alguém puder responder minha dúvida sobre o google maps agradeço!

Obrigado.

Dear, good night!

I wonder if you can already activate the Google map, same as the demo, in observium page, using the community version.

I would also like to leave a message of protest against the policy community and paid versions. I can understand the reasons, but I do not agree at all.

If anyone can answer my questions about the google maps thanks!

Thank you.

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Let me get this right... you're looking for the devs to effectively work for free and then abusing them when they find this suggestion unpalatable.

I'm not even a dev and I think you should take a long walk off a short pier.

On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 6:11 AM, Kleber C. S. Coelho kcscoelho@ig.com.brwrote:

I am not surprised by his answer, she just demonstrates the seriousness and probably the 'bright' future that the software will.

2014-03-26 8:19 GMT-03:00 Tom Laermans tom.laermans@powersource.cx:

Hi,

...

Thanks for your input, we'll consider removing the community version.

Tom

On 03/26/2014 04:11 AM, Kleber C. S. Coelho wrote:

Prezados, boa noite! Gostaria de saber se ja é possível ativar o mapa do Google, igual ao da demostração, na página do observium, utilizando a versão comunitária. Gostaria também de deixar uma mensagem de protesto contra a política de versões comunitárias e pagas. Eu até entendo os motivos, mas não concordo de forma alguma. Se alguém puder responder minha dúvida sobre o google maps agradeço! Obrigado.

Dear, good night! I wonder if you can already activate the Google map, same as the demo, in observium page, using the community version. I would also like to leave a message of protest against the policy community and paid versions. I can understand the reasons, but I do not agree at all. If anyone can answer my questions about the google maps thanks! Thank you.

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From: observium [mailto:observium-bounces@observium.org] On Behalf Of Robert Brooks Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 2:54 PM To: Observium Network Observation System Subject: Re: [Observium] Google Maps

Let me get this right... you're looking for the devs to effectively work for free and then abusing them when they find this suggestion unpalatable. I'm not even a dev and I think you should take a long walk off a short pier.

On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 6:11 AM, Kleber C. S. Coelho <kcscoelho@ig.com.brmailto:kcscoelho@ig.com.br> wrote: I am not surprised by his answer, she just demonstrates the seriousness and probably the 'bright' future that the software will.

2014-03-26 8:19 GMT-03:00 Tom Laermans <tom.laermans@powersource.cxmailto:tom.laermans@powersource.cx>:

Hi,

Thanks for your input, we'll consider removing the community version.

Tom

On 03/26/2014 04:11 AM, Kleber C. S. Coelho wrote: Prezados, boa noite! Gostaria de saber se ja é possível ativar o mapa do Google, igual ao da demostração, na página do observium, utilizando a versão comunitária. Gostaria também de deixar uma mensagem de protesto contra a política de versões comunitárias e pagas. Eu até entendo os motivos, mas não concordo de forma alguma. Se alguém puder responder minha dúvida sobre o google maps agradeço! Obrigado.

Dear, good night! I wonder if you can already activate the Google map, same as the demo, in observium page, using the community version. I would also like to leave a message of protest against the policy community and paid versions. I can understand the reasons, but I do not agree at all. If anyone can answer my questions about the google maps thanks! Thank you.

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The CE version is release once every 6 months with a huge shitload of hard work in it without you even having to pay a single penny for it. These “tools” are used for monitoring networks. Networks that are operated to service customers. Customers that pay our bills and provide us with food on the table. If there’s anyone building these tools for free it’s great but don’t expect top notch service. We pay the 100 pound a year and we get fantastic bug fixes and the latest and greatest software. You pay nothing? You still get a very good piece of software. I don’t think Tom was being rude. He just made a joke that kept me laughing the whole morning.

Get a life and build your own tool..

Remco Bressers Signet B.V.

On 26 mrt. 2014, at 21:08, Kleber C. S. Coelho kcscoelho@ig.com.br wrote:

Just think education fits anywhere, his response was rude. As I said in the original topic, I can understand the reasons for doing different versions, but I disagree. There are other ways to make money from free software. Anyway, do not want to disrupt the list with bullshit, come take a doubt, but I think anyone here wants to help you for helping. Rest assured, this is certainly not the right tool for me, thanks.

2014-03-26 15:53 GMT-03:00 Robert Brooks robert.brooks@reporo.com: Let me get this right... you're looking for the devs to effectively work for free and then abusing them when they find this suggestion unpalatable.

I'm not even a dev and I think you should take a long walk off a short pier.

On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 6:11 AM, Kleber C. S. Coelho kcscoelho@ig.com.br wrote: I am not surprised by his answer, she just demonstrates the seriousness and probably the 'bright' future that the software will.

2014-03-26 8:19 GMT-03:00 Tom Laermans tom.laermans@powersource.cx:

Hi,

Thanks for your input, we'll consider removing the community version.

Tom

On 03/26/2014 04:11 AM, Kleber C. S. Coelho wrote:

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Prezados, boa noite! Gostaria de saber se ja é possível ativar o mapa do Google, igual ao da demostração, na página do observium, utilizando a versão comunitária. Gostaria também de deixar uma mensagem de protesto contra a política de versões comunitárias e pagas. Eu até entendo os motivos, mas não concordo de forma alguma. Se alguém puder responder minha dúvida sobre o google maps agradeço! Obrigado.

Dear, good night! I wonder if you can already activate the Google map, same as the demo, in observium page, using the community version. I would also like to leave a message of protest against the policy community and paid versions. I can understand the reasons, but I do not agree at all. If anyone can answer my questions about the google maps thanks! Thank you.

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On 2014-03-26 14:08, Kleber C. S. Coelho wrote:

Just think education fits anywhere, his response was rude.  As I said in the original topic, I can understand the reasons for doing different versions, but I disagree. There are other ways to make money from free software.

You are wrong. There are no other ways to make an appreciably useful amount of money from free software unless your software is a component of a larger system which makes a corporate entity a lot of money. Good examples of this are Linux and Netatalk. Both are sponsored by companies who rely on them to make a profit.

For end-user software, there really is no other way to make money other than the freemium model. We tried for 7 years, we made next to nothing. Once we realised that our user base was willing to pay to have the software better maintained, we went that route. It seems to us that people would rather pay for a better product than pick up Stallman's spiritual droppings.

IMHO, the Free/Open software movement has partially failed, because it doesn't provide a means of support for people who write 90% of the software. Just because the Linux kernel gets heavy funding doesn't mean anything else does. This lack of funding results in heavy stagnation, like with GIMP.

At the end of the day, almost all of the free software you use is written by someone who is effectively working as a slave, and your belief that "free software" is automatically better is severely flawed.

A good analogy was the rise of socialism/communism at the beginning of the last century. Sure, almost every economy now uses modified socialist principles, but that doesn't mean the initial vision was anything more than totally batshit crazy and proved, after a lot of time was wasted, to be unworkable. The same applies here. Free software can't support itself, so a modified model is needed. I think the Freemium model works well for our kind of product, but I can't say about others.

adam.