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I've been running OSPF but am changing to EIGRP. EIGRP isn't showing in the routing section when I look at devices.
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A) don't use eigrp unless you have a very good reason B) we don't really support eigrp
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On 1 November 2015 16:45:59 Jason Vanlandingham van.sjason@gmail.com wrote:
I've been running OSPF but am changing to EIGRP. EIGRP isn't showing in the routing section when I look at devices.
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HuH,
The real question is Why ? Ospf can be used with all vendor, eigrp .. not compatible unless you have a cisco network and other clone equipment. Ospf is widely supported and even with software like Observium. You can expect to have bad or no support using EIGRP
2015-11-01 17:45 GMT+01:00 Jason Vanlandingham van.sjason@gmail.com:
I've been running OSPF but am changing to EIGRP. EIGRP isn't showing in the routing section when I look at devices.
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I think a lot of people get taken in by the Cisco training material propaganda, and are blinded by the elaborate route metric/weight calculation system.
adam. On 01/11/2015 17:07:08, Raphael Maunier raphael.maunier@gmail.com wrote: HuH,
The real question is Why ? Ospf can be used with all vendor, eigrp .. not compatible unless you have a cisco network and other clone equipment. Ospf is widely supported and even with software like Observium. You can expect to have bad or no support using EIGRP
2015-11-01 17:45 GMT+01:00 Jason Vanlandingham <van.sjason@gmail.com [mailto:van.sjason@gmail.com]>:
I've been running OSPF but am changing to EIGRP. EIGRP isn't showing in the routing section when I look at devices.
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Perhaps we would do better not to tell people how to run their network… We do not know anything about the network in question beyond the fact that it is probably monitored with Observium.
Also Cisco released basic EIGRP functionality for other vendors to implement in a RFC. http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/collateral/ios-nx-os-software/enhanced...
So the real question is not “why?” but “is this supported in Observium?”.. and the real answer is “no”.
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From: observium [mailto:observium-bounces@observium.org] On Behalf Of Raphael Maunier Sent: Monday, 2 November 2015 4:07 AM To: Observium Network Observation System Subject: Re: [Observium] EIGRP
HuH,
The real question is Why ? Ospf can be used with all vendor, eigrp .. not compatible unless you have a cisco network and other clone equipment. Ospf is widely supported and even with software like Observium. You can expect to have bad or no support using EIGRP
2015-11-01 17:45 GMT+01:00 Jason Vanlandingham <van.sjason@gmail.commailto:van.sjason@gmail.com>: I've been running OSPF but am changing to EIGRP. EIGRP isn't showing in the routing section when I look at devices.
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If you want good support from any software, you should not use "proprietary" protocols and use something supported by more than one or 2 vendor. Another option, use it and buy expensive software from that vendor.
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Le 1 nov. 2015 à 23:37, Chard, Alex (RET-SYD) Alex.Chard@Reed-Elsevier.com.au a écrit :
Perhaps we would do better not to tell people how to run their network… We do not know anything about the network in question beyond the fact that it is probably monitored with Observium.
Also Cisco released basic EIGRP functionality for other vendors to implement in a RFC. http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/collateral/ios-nx-os-software/enhanced...
So the real question is not “why?” but “is this supported in Observium?”.. and the real answer is “no”.
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From: observium [mailto:observium-bounces@observium.org] On Behalf Of Raphael Maunier Sent: Monday, 2 November 2015 4:07 AM To: Observium Network Observation System Subject: Re: [Observium] EIGRP
HuH,
The real question is Why ? Ospf can be used with all vendor, eigrp .. not compatible unless you have a cisco network and other clone equipment. Ospf is widely supported and even with software like Observium. You can expect to have bad or no support using EIGRP
2015-11-01 17:45 GMT+01:00 Jason Vanlandingham van.sjason@gmail.com: I've been running OSPF but am changing to EIGRP. EIGRP isn't showing in the routing section when I look at devices.
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I probably bleed Cisco more than most on this list, something about that two day test 16 years ago. I’ll just say one thing about routing protocols.
BGP.
Yes, it *is* as good running as an IGP as it is as an EGP. And separates the men from the boys, so to speak.
From: observium [mailto:observium-bounces@observium.org] On Behalf Of Raphael Maunier Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2015 4:47 PM To: Observium Network Observation System Subject: Re: [Observium] EIGRP
If you want good support from any software, you should not use "proprietary" protocols and use something supported by more than one or 2 vendor.
Another option, use it and buy expensive software from that vendor.
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Le 1 nov. 2015 à 23:37, Chard, Alex (RET-SYD) Alex.Chard@Reed-Elsevier.com.au a écrit :
Perhaps we would do better not to tell people how to run their network…
We do not know anything about the network in question beyond the fact that it is probably monitored with Observium.
Also Cisco released basic EIGRP functionality for other vendors to implement in a RFC.
http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/collateral/ios-nx-os-software/enhanced...
So the real question is not “why?” but “is this supported in Observium?”.. and the real answer is “no”.
Regards,
Alex Chard Senior Network Engineer
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<image002.gif>: +61 (04) 03 894 614
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From: observium [mailto:observium-bounces@observium.org] On Behalf Of Raphael Maunier Sent: Monday, 2 November 2015 4:07 AM To: Observium Network Observation System Subject: Re: [Observium] EIGRP
HuH,
The real question is Why ? Ospf can be used with all vendor, eigrp .. not compatible unless you have a cisco network and other clone equipment.
Ospf is widely supported and even with software like Observium. You can expect to have bad or no support using EIGRP
2015-11-01 17:45 GMT+01:00 Jason Vanlandingham van.sjason@gmail.com:
I've been running OSPF but am changing to EIGRP. EIGRP isn't showing in the routing section when I look at devices.
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I would argue that IS-IS also separates the men from the boys, is an open standard, and also happens to be protocol-neutral.
I have my own opinions about IGPs, of course, but I agree with Alex on this one...nobody asked for my opinion on using EIGRP, so I'll save it until they do. :)
On Sunday, November 1, 2015, Ron Marosko ron@rjr-services.com wrote:
I probably bleed Cisco more than most on this list, something about that two day test 16 years ago. I’ll just say one thing about routing protocols.
BGP.
Yes, it **is** as good running as an IGP as it is as an EGP. And separates the men from the boys, so to speak.
*From:* observium [mailto:observium-bounces@observium.org javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','observium-bounces@observium.org');] *On Behalf Of *Raphael Maunier *Sent:* Sunday, November 01, 2015 4:47 PM *To:* Observium Network Observation System *Subject:* Re: [Observium] EIGRP
If you want good support from any software, you should not use "proprietary" protocols and use something supported by more than one or 2 vendor.
Another option, use it and buy expensive software from that vendor.
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Le 1 nov. 2015 à 23:37, Chard, Alex (RET-SYD) < Alex.Chard@Reed-Elsevier.com.au javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Alex.Chard@reed-elsevier.com.au');> a écrit :
Perhaps we would do better not to tell people how to run their network…
We do not know anything about the network in question beyond the fact that it is probably monitored with Observium.
Also Cisco released basic EIGRP functionality for other vendors to implement in a RFC.
http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/collateral/ios-nx-os-software/enhanced...
So the real question is not “why?” but “is this supported in Observium?”.. and the real answer is “no”.
Regards,
*Alex Chard* *Senior Network Engineer*
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*From:* observium [mailto:observium-bounces@observium.org javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','observium-bounces@observium.org');] *On Behalf Of *Raphael Maunier *Sent:* Monday, 2 November 2015 4:07 AM *To:* Observium Network Observation System *Subject:* Re: [Observium] EIGRP
HuH,
The real question is Why ? Ospf can be used with all vendor, eigrp .. not compatible unless you have a cisco network and other clone equipment.
Ospf is widely supported and even with software like Observium. You can expect to have bad or no support using EIGRP
2015-11-01 17:45 GMT+01:00 Jason Vanlandingham <van.sjason@gmail.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','van.sjason@gmail.com');>:
I've been running OSPF but am changing to EIGRP. EIGRP isn't showing in the routing section when I look at devices.
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The original question and answer was not about the igp itself but about the support of it !
He want to move from OSPF to Eigrp and still get the same support from an opensource software. That was clearly the answer : You can expect to have bad or no support using EIGRP Choosing the path to use a protocol that is clearly not supported by all vendor, will almost 100% of the time lead you to a lack of compatibility from the community.
And Yes IS-IS is the way go :)
Raphael
On 02 Nov 2015, at 01:15, Aaron Finney aaron.finney@openx.com wrote:
I would argue that IS-IS also separates the men from the boys, is an open standard, and also happens to be protocol-neutral.
I have my own opinions about IGPs, of course, but I agree with Alex on this one...nobody asked for my opinion on using EIGRP, so I'll save it until they do. :)
On Sunday, November 1, 2015, Ron Marosko ron@rjr-services.com wrote:
I probably bleed Cisco more than most on this list, something about that two day test 16 years ago. I’ll just say one thing about routing protocols.
BGP.
Yes, it **is** as good running as an IGP as it is as an EGP. And separates the men from the boys, so to speak.
*From:* observium [mailto:observium-bounces@observium.org] *On Behalf Of *Raphael Maunier *Sent:* Sunday, November 01, 2015 4:47 PM *To:* Observium Network Observation System *Subject:* Re: [Observium] EIGRP
If you want good support from any software, you should not use "proprietary" protocols and use something supported by more than one or 2 vendor.
Another option, use it and buy expensive software from that vendor.
Envoyé de mon iPhone
Le 1 nov. 2015 à 23:37, Chard, Alex (RET-SYD) < Alex.Chard@Reed-Elsevier.com.au> a écrit :
Perhaps we would do better not to tell people how to run their network…
We do not know anything about the network in question beyond the fact that it is probably monitored with Observium.
Also Cisco released basic EIGRP functionality for other vendors to implement in a RFC.
http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/collateral/ios-nx-os-software/enhanced...
So the real question is not “why?” but “is this supported in Observium?”.. and the real answer is “no”.
Regards,
*Alex Chard* *Senior Network Engineer*
<image001.jpg> 475 Victoria Ave, Chatswood, NSW 2067 (: +61 (02) 8007 0709
<image002.gif>: +61 (04) 03 894 614
*: alex.chard@reed-elsevier.com.au www.reedelsevier.com
*From:* observium [mailto:observium-bounces@observium.org] *On Behalf Of *Raphael Maunier *Sent:* Monday, 2 November 2015 4:07 AM *To:* Observium Network Observation System *Subject:* Re: [Observium] EIGRP
HuH,
The real question is Why ? Ospf can be used with all vendor, eigrp .. not compatible unless you have a cisco network and other clone equipment.
Ospf is widely supported and even with software like Observium. You can expect to have bad or no support using EIGRP
2015-11-01 17:45 GMT+01:00 Jason Vanlandingham van.sjason@gmail.com:
I've been running OSPF but am changing to EIGRP. EIGRP isn't showing in the routing section when I look at devices.
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IS-IS++
adam. On 02/11/2015 00:29:54, Raphael Maunier raphael.maunier@gmail.com wrote: The original question and answer was not about the igp itself but about the support of it !
He want to move from OSPF to Eigrp and still get the same support from an opensource software. That was clearly the answer : You can expect to have bad or no support using EIGRP Choosing the path to use a protocol that is clearly not supported by all vendor, will almost 100% of the time lead you to a lack of compatibility from the community.
And Yes IS-IS is the way go :)
Raphael
On 02 Nov 2015, at 01:15, Aaron Finney <aaron.finney@openx.com [mailto:aaron.finney@openx.com]> wrote:
I would argue that IS-IS also separates the men from the boys, is an open standard, and also happens to be protocol-neutral.
I have my own opinions about IGPs, of course, but I agree with Alex on this one...nobody asked for my opinion on using EIGRP, so I'll save it until they do. :)
On Sunday, November 1, 2015, Ron Marosko <ron@rjr-services.com [mailto:ron@rjr-services.com]> wrote:
I probably bleed Cisco more than most on this list, something about that two day test 16 years ago. I’ll just say one thing about routing protocols. BGP. Yes, it *is* as good running as an IGP as it is as an EGP. And separates the men from the boys, so to speak. From: observium [mailto:observium-bounces@observium.org] On Behalf Of Raphael Maunier Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2015 4:47 PM To: Observium Network Observation System Subject: Re: [Observium] EIGRP If you want good support from any software, you should not use "proprietary" protocols and use something supported by more than one or 2 vendor. Another option, use it and buy expensive software from that vendor.
Envoyé de mon iPhone
Le 1 nov. 2015 à 23:37, Chard, Alex (RET-SYD) Alex.Chard@Reed-Elsevier.com.au a écrit : Perhaps we would do better not to tell people how to run their network… We do not know anything about the network in question beyond the fact that it is probably monitored with Observium. Also Cisco released basic EIGRP functionality for other vendors to implement in a RFC. http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/collateral/ios-nx-os-software/enhanced... [http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/collateral/ios-nx-os-software/enhanced...] So the real question is not “why?” but “is this supported in Observium?”.. and the real answer is “no”. Regards, Alex Chard Senior Network Engineer <image001.jpg> 475 Victoria Ave, Chatswood, NSW 2067 (: +61 (02) 8007 0709 [tel:%2B61%20%2802%29%208007%200709] <image002.gif>: +61 (04) 03 894 614 *: alex.chard@reed-elsevier.com.au www.reedelsevier.com [http://www.reedelsevier.com/] From: observium [mailto:observium-bounces@observium.org] On Behalf Of Raphael Maunier Sent: Monday, 2 November 2015 4:07 AM To: Observium Network Observation System Subject: Re: [Observium] EIGRP HuH, The real question is Why ? Ospf can be used with all vendor, eigrp .. not compatible unless you have a cisco network and other clone equipment. Ospf is widely supported and even with software like Observium. You can expect to have bad or no support using EIGRP 2015-11-01 17:45 GMT+01:00 Jason Vanlandingham van.sjason@gmail.com: I've been running OSPF but am changing to EIGRP. EIGRP isn't showing in the routing section when I look at devices.
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You all suck. Everyone knows that what boys envy and girls yearn for is men who run their whole network on RIP-ng. Fix Observium support naow! /Markus
2015-11-02 1:31 GMT+01:00 Adam Armstrong adama@memetic.org:
IS-IS++
adam.
On 02/11/2015 00:29:54, Raphael Maunier raphael.maunier@gmail.com wrote: The original question and answer was not about the igp itself but about the support of it !
He want to move from OSPF to Eigrp and still get the same support from an opensource software. That was clearly the answer : You can expect to have bad or no support using EIGRP Choosing the path to use a protocol that is clearly not supported by all vendor, will almost 100% of the time lead you to a lack of compatibility from the community.
And Yes IS-IS is the way go :)
Raphael
On 02 Nov 2015, at 01:15, Aaron Finney aaron.finney@openx.com wrote:
I would argue that IS-IS also separates the men from the boys, is an open standard, and also happens to be protocol-neutral.
I have my own opinions about IGPs, of course, but I agree with Alex on this one...nobody asked for my opinion on using EIGRP, so I'll save it until they do. :)
On Sunday, November 1, 2015, Ron Marosko ron@rjr-services.com wrote:
I probably bleed Cisco more than most on this list, something about that two day test 16 years ago. I’ll just say one thing about routing protocols.
BGP.
Yes, it **is** as good running as an IGP as it is as an EGP. And separates the men from the boys, so to speak.
*From:* observium [mailto:observium-bounces@observium.org] *On Behalf Of *Raphael Maunier *Sent:* Sunday, November 01, 2015 4:47 PM *To:* Observium Network Observation System *Subject:* Re: [Observium] EIGRP
If you want good support from any software, you should not use "proprietary" protocols and use something supported by more than one or 2 vendor.
Another option, use it and buy expensive software from that vendor.
Envoyé de mon iPhone
Le 1 nov. 2015 à 23:37, Chard, Alex (RET-SYD) < Alex.Chard@Reed-Elsevier.com.au> a écrit :
Perhaps we would do better not to tell people how to run their network…
We do not know anything about the network in question beyond the fact that it is probably monitored with Observium.
Also Cisco released basic EIGRP functionality for other vendors to implement in a RFC.
http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/collateral/ios-nx-os-software/enhanced...
So the real question is not “why?” but “is this supported in Observium?”.. and the real answer is “no”.
Regards,
*Alex Chard* *Senior Network Engineer*
<image001.jpg> 475 Victoria Ave, Chatswood, NSW 2067 (: +61 (02) 8007 0709
<image002.gif>: +61 (04) 03 894 614
*: alex.chard@reed-elsevier.com.au www.reedelsevier.com
*From:* observium [mailto:observium-bounces@observium.org] *On Behalf Of *Raphael Maunier *Sent:* Monday, 2 November 2015 4:07 AM *To:* Observium Network Observation System *Subject:* Re: [Observium] EIGRP
HuH,
The real question is Why ? Ospf can be used with all vendor, eigrp .. not compatible unless you have a cisco network and other clone equipment.
Ospf is widely supported and even with software like Observium. You can expect to have bad or no support using EIGRP
2015-11-01 17:45 GMT+01:00 Jason Vanlandingham van.sjason@gmail.com:
I've been running OSPF but am changing to EIGRP. EIGRP isn't showing in the routing section when I look at devices.
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On 2 November 2015 07:37:43 Markus Klock markus@best-practice.se wrote:
You all suck. Everyone knows that what boys envy and girls yearn for is men who run their whole network on RIP-ng. Fix Observium support naow! /Markus
2015-11-02 1:31 GMT+01:00 Adam Armstrong adama@memetic.org:
IS-IS++
adam.
On 02/11/2015 00:29:54, Raphael Maunier raphael.maunier@gmail.com wrote: The original question and answer was not about the igp itself but about the support of it !
He want to move from OSPF to Eigrp and still get the same support from an opensource software. That was clearly the answer : You can expect to have bad or no support using EIGRP Choosing the path to use a protocol that is clearly not supported by all vendor, will almost 100% of the time lead you to a lack of compatibility from the community.
And Yes IS-IS is the way go :)
Raphael
On 02 Nov 2015, at 01:15, Aaron Finney aaron.finney@openx.com wrote:
I would argue that IS-IS also separates the men from the boys, is an open standard, and also happens to be protocol-neutral.
I have my own opinions about IGPs, of course, but I agree with Alex on this one...nobody asked for my opinion on using EIGRP, so I'll save it until they do. :)
On Sunday, November 1, 2015, Ron Marosko ron@rjr-services.com wrote:
I probably bleed Cisco more than most on this list, something about that two day test 16 years ago. I’ll just say one thing about routing protocols.
BGP.
Yes, it **is** as good running as an IGP as it is as an EGP. And separates the men from the boys, so to speak.
*From:* observium [mailto:observium-bounces@observium.org] *On Behalf Of *Raphael Maunier *Sent:* Sunday, November 01, 2015 4:47 PM *To:* Observium Network Observation System *Subject:* Re: [Observium] EIGRP
If you want good support from any software, you should not use "proprietary" protocols and use something supported by more than one or 2 vendor.
Another option, use it and buy expensive software from that vendor.
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Le 1 nov. 2015 à 23:37, Chard, Alex (RET-SYD) < Alex.Chard@Reed-Elsevier.com.au> a écrit :
Perhaps we would do better not to tell people how to run their network…
We do not know anything about the network in question beyond the fact that it is probably monitored with Observium.
Also Cisco released basic EIGRP functionality for other vendors to implement in a RFC.
http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/collateral/ios-nx-os-software/enhanced...
So the real question is not “why?” but “is this supported in Observium?”.. and the real answer is “no”.
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*From:* observium [mailto:observium-bounces@observium.org] *On Behalf Of *Raphael Maunier *Sent:* Monday, 2 November 2015 4:07 AM *To:* Observium Network Observation System *Subject:* Re: [Observium] EIGRP
HuH,
The real question is Why ? Ospf can be used with all vendor, eigrp .. not compatible unless you have a cisco network and other clone equipment.
Ospf is widely supported and even with software like Observium. You can expect to have bad or no support using EIGRP
2015-11-01 17:45 GMT+01:00 Jason Vanlandingham van.sjason@gmail.com:
I've been running OSPF but am changing to EIGRP. EIGRP isn't showing in the routing section when I look at devices.
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EIGRP beats them all
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From: observium [mailto:observium-bounces@observium.org] On Behalf Of Aaron Finney Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2015 07:16 PM To: Observium Network Observation System Subject: Re: [Observium] EIGRP
I would argue that IS-IS also separates the men from the boys, is an open standard, and also happens to be protocol-neutral.
I have my own opinions about IGPs, of course, but I agree with Alex on this one...nobody asked for my opinion on using EIGRP, so I'll save it until they do. :)
On Sunday, November 1, 2015, Ron Marosko <ron@rjr-services.commailto:ron@rjr-services.com> wrote: I probably bleed Cisco more than most on this list, something about that two day test 16 years ago. I’ll just say one thing about routing protocols.
BGP.
Yes, it *is* as good running as an IGP as it is as an EGP. And separates the men from the boys, so to speak.
From: observium [mailto:observium-bounces@observium.orgjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','observium-bounces@observium.org');] On Behalf Of Raphael Maunier Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2015 4:47 PM To: Observium Network Observation System Subject: Re: [Observium] EIGRP
If you want good support from any software, you should not use "proprietary" protocols and use something supported by more than one or 2 vendor. Another option, use it and buy expensive software from that vendor.
Envoyé de mon iPhone
Le 1 nov. 2015 à 23:37, Chard, Alex (RET-SYD) <Alex.Chard@Reed-Elsevier.com.aujavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Alex.Chard@reed-elsevier.com.au');> a écrit : Perhaps we would do better not to tell people how to run their network… We do not know anything about the network in question beyond the fact that it is probably monitored with Observium.
Also Cisco released basic EIGRP functionality for other vendors to implement in a RFC. http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/collateral/ios-nx-os-software/enhanced...
So the real question is not “why?” but “is this supported in Observium?”.. and the real answer is “no”.
Regards, Alex Chard Senior Network Engineer <image001.jpg> 475 Victoria Ave, Chatswood, NSW 2067 •: +61 (02) 8007 0709 ••••••••••••••: +61 (04) 03 894 614 •: alex.chard@reed-elsevier.com.aujavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','alex.chard@reed-elsevier.com.au'); www.reedelsevier.comhttp://www.reedelsevier.com/
From: observium [mailto:observium-bounces@observium.orgjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','observium-bounces@observium.org');] On Behalf Of Raphael Maunier Sent: Monday, 2 November 2015 4:07 AM To: Observium Network Observation System Subject: Re: [Observium] EIGRP
HuH,
The real question is Why ? Ospf can be used with all vendor, eigrp .. not compatible unless you have a cisco network and other clone equipment. Ospf is widely supported and even with software like Observium. You can expect to have bad or no support using EIGRP
2015-11-01 17:45 GMT+01:00 Jason Vanlandingham <van.sjason@gmail.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','van.sjason@gmail.com');>: I've been running OSPF but am changing to EIGRP. EIGRP isn't showing in the routing section when I look at devices.
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On 3 November 2015 02:04:59 "Joseph L. Brunner" joe@affirmedsystems.com wrote:
All the Men I know Like the fact they can summarize at Any Interface. And influence routes using offset lists.
EIGRP beats them all
Joe #19366
From: observium [mailto:observium-bounces@observium.org] On Behalf Of Aaron Finney Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2015 07:16 PM To: Observium Network Observation System Subject: Re: [Observium] EIGRP
I would argue that IS-IS also separates the men from the boys, is an open standard, and also happens to be protocol-neutral.
I have my own opinions about IGPs, of course, but I agree with Alex on this one...nobody asked for my opinion on using EIGRP, so I'll save it until they do. :)
On Sunday, November 1, 2015, Ron Marosko <ron@rjr-services.commailto:ron@rjr-services.com> wrote: I probably bleed Cisco more than most on this list, something about that two day test 16 years ago. I’ll just say one thing about routing protocols.
BGP.
Yes, it *is* as good running as an IGP as it is as an EGP. And separates the men from the boys, so to speak.
From: observium [mailto:observium-bounces@observium.orgjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','observium-bounces@observium.org');] On Behalf Of Raphael Maunier Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2015 4:47 PM To: Observium Network Observation System Subject: Re: [Observium] EIGRP
If you want good support from any software, you should not use "proprietary" protocols and use something supported by more than one or 2 vendor. Another option, use it and buy expensive software from that vendor.
Envoyé de mon iPhone
Le 1 nov. 2015 à 23:37, Chard, Alex (RET-SYD) <Alex.Chard@Reed-Elsevier.com.aujavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Alex.Chard@reed-elsevier.com.au');> a écrit : Perhaps we would do better not to tell people how to run their network… We do not know anything about the network in question beyond the fact that it is probably monitored with Observium.
Also Cisco released basic EIGRP functionality for other vendors to implement in a RFC. http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/collateral/ios-nx-os-software/enhanced...
So the real question is not “why?” but “is this supported in Observium?”.. and the real answer is “no”.
Regards, Alex Chard Senior Network Engineer <image001.jpg> 475 Victoria Ave, Chatswood, NSW 2067 •: +61 (02) 8007 0709 ••••••••••••••: +61 (04) 03 894 614 •: alex.chard@reed-elsevier.com.aujavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','alex.chard@reed-elsevier.com.au'); www.reedelsevier.comhttp://www.reedelsevier.com/
From: observium [mailto:observium-bounces@observium.orgjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','observium-bounces@observium.org');] On Behalf Of Raphael Maunier Sent: Monday, 2 November 2015 4:07 AM To: Observium Network Observation System Subject: Re: [Observium] EIGRP
HuH,
The real question is Why ? Ospf can be used with all vendor, eigrp .. not compatible unless you have a cisco network and other clone equipment. Ospf is widely supported and even with software like Observium. You can expect to have bad or no support using EIGRP
2015-11-01 17:45 GMT+01:00 Jason Vanlandingham <van.sjason@gmail.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','van.sjason@gmail.com');>: I've been running OSPF but am changing to EIGRP. EIGRP isn't showing in the routing section when I look at devices.
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For serious though "I can do this crazy shit" is never really a positive point for a protocol.
My usual argument against ospf in favour of Isis is that ospf is just a toolbox full of features people can use to make terrible design decisions with.
I honestly think the most long term benefit in brought to any network I worked on is migrating away from ospf so that my successors couldn't repeat the mistakes of my predecessors.
Most if my top networking rules would be all around the central theme of reducing complexity, using fewer features and where possible just removing protocols all together.
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On 3 November 2015 02:04:59 "Joseph L. Brunner" joe@affirmedsystems.com wrote:
All the Men I know Like the fact they can summarize at Any Interface. And influence routes using offset lists.
EIGRP beats them all
Joe #19366
From: observium [mailto:observium-bounces@observium.org] On Behalf Of Aaron Finney Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2015 07:16 PM To: Observium Network Observation System Subject: Re: [Observium] EIGRP
I would argue that IS-IS also separates the men from the boys, is an open standard, and also happens to be protocol-neutral.
I have my own opinions about IGPs, of course, but I agree with Alex on this one...nobody asked for my opinion on using EIGRP, so I'll save it until they do. :)
On Sunday, November 1, 2015, Ron Marosko <ron@rjr-services.commailto:ron@rjr-services.com> wrote: I probably bleed Cisco more than most on this list, something about that two day test 16 years ago. I’ll just say one thing about routing protocols.
BGP.
Yes, it *is* as good running as an IGP as it is as an EGP. And separates the men from the boys, so to speak.
From: observium [mailto:observium-bounces@observium.orgjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','observium-bounces@observium.org');] On Behalf Of Raphael Maunier Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2015 4:47 PM To: Observium Network Observation System Subject: Re: [Observium] EIGRP
If you want good support from any software, you should not use "proprietary" protocols and use something supported by more than one or 2 vendor. Another option, use it and buy expensive software from that vendor.
Envoyé de mon iPhone
Le 1 nov. 2015 à 23:37, Chard, Alex (RET-SYD) <Alex.Chard@Reed-Elsevier.com.aujavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Alex.Chard@reed-elsevier.com.au');> a écrit : Perhaps we would do better not to tell people how to run their network… We do not know anything about the network in question beyond the fact that it is probably monitored with Observium.
Also Cisco released basic EIGRP functionality for other vendors to implement in a RFC. http://www.cisco.com/c/en/us/products/collateral/ios-nx-os-software/enhanced...
So the real question is not “why?” but “is this supported in Observium?”.. and the real answer is “no”.
Regards, Alex Chard Senior Network Engineer <image001.jpg> 475 Victoria Ave, Chatswood, NSW 2067 •: +61 (02) 8007 0709 ••••••••••••••: +61 (04) 03 894 614 •: alex.chard@reed-elsevier.com.aujavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','alex.chard@reed-elsevier.com.au'); www.reedelsevier.comhttp://www.reedelsevier.com/
From: observium [mailto:observium-bounces@observium.orgjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','observium-bounces@observium.org');] On Behalf Of Raphael Maunier Sent: Monday, 2 November 2015 4:07 AM To: Observium Network Observation System Subject: Re: [Observium] EIGRP
HuH,
The real question is Why ? Ospf can be used with all vendor, eigrp .. not compatible unless you have a cisco network and other clone equipment. Ospf is widely supported and even with software like Observium. You can expect to have bad or no support using EIGRP
2015-11-01 17:45 GMT+01:00 Jason Vanlandingham <van.sjason@gmail.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','van.sjason@gmail.com');>: I've been running OSPF but am changing to EIGRP. EIGRP isn't showing in the routing section when I look at devices.
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Good Day,
Version Observium: CE 0.16.1.7533 Monitored Device: Avtech Room Alert 3E v2.0.0 Issue: No sensors are detected Probable cause: The wrong MIBs are loaded - ROOMALERT24E-MIB and ROOMALERT4E-MIB are loaded instead of ROOMALERT3E-MIB.
Is there a way to force the loading of the correct MIBs? __
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Hi Greg,
I don't think MIBs are exactly what you think they are.
For RoomAlert devices, we only support those 2 MIBs; support for others will need to be added before that MIB can be used.
Tom
On 2016-02-21 15:48, greg lambert wrote:
Good Day,
Version Observium: CE 0.16.1.7533 Monitored Device: Avtech Room Alert 3E v2.0.0 Issue: No sensors are detected Probable cause: The wrong MIBs are loaded - ROOMALERT24E-MIB and ROOMALERT4E-MIB are loaded instead of ROOMALERT3E-MIB.
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Thanks Tom.
Quick question: In one post Adam spoke about "considering" re-releasing another CE 0.16.1 soon i.e. before the 6 mth cycle because of all the issues with the recently released - do you know whether this will be realized?
On 2/22/2016 6:27 AM, Tom Laermans wrote:
Hi Greg,
I don't think MIBs are exactly what you think they are.
For RoomAlert devices, we only support those 2 MIBs; support for others will need to be added before that MIB can be used.
Tom
On 2016-02-21 15:48, greg lambert wrote:
Good Day,
Version Observium: CE 0.16.1.7533 Monitored Device: Avtech Room Alert 3E v2.0.0 Issue: No sensors are detected Probable cause: The wrong MIBs are loaded - ROOMALERT24E-MIB and ROOMALERT4E-MIB are loaded instead of ROOMALERT3E-MIB.
Is there a way to force the loading of the correct MIBs? __
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http://www.androidheadlines.com/2013/07/jbq-from-aosp-talks-about-etas-dont-... On 23/02/2016 04:34:01, greg lambert grelamen1@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Tom.
Quick question: In one post Adam spoke about "considering" re-releasing another CE 0.16.1 soon i.e. before the 6 mth cycle because of all the issues with the recently released - do you know whether this will be realized?
On 2/22/2016 6:27 AM, Tom Laermans wrote:
Hi Greg,
I don't think MIBs are exactly what you think they are.
For RoomAlert devices, we only support those 2 MIBs; support for others will need to be added before that MIB can be used.
Tom
On 2016-02-21 15:48, greg lambert wrote:
Good Day,
Version Observium: CE 0.16.1.7533 Monitored Device: Avtech Room Alert 3E v2.0.0 Issue: No sensors are detected Probable cause: The wrong MIBs are loaded - ROOMALERT24E-MIB and ROOMALERT4E-MIB are loaded instead of ROOMALERT3E-MIB.
Is there a way to force the loading of the correct MIBs?
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Because I'm studying for the CCNP and for a job where they use EIGRP and I need to know it. :-)
On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 11:06 AM, Raphael Maunier raphael.maunier@gmail.com wrote:
HuH,
The real question is Why ? Ospf can be used with all vendor, eigrp .. not compatible unless you have a cisco network and other clone equipment. Ospf is widely supported and even with software like Observium. You can expect to have bad or no support using EIGRP
2015-11-01 17:45 GMT+01:00 Jason Vanlandingham van.sjason@gmail.com:
I've been running OSPF but am changing to EIGRP. EIGRP isn't showing in the routing section when I look at devices.
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Tell the job Adam Armstrong thinks eigrp is stupid and they should move to literally anything else. Should clear things right up. On Nov 2, 2015 7:41 AM, "Jason Vanlandingham" van.sjason@gmail.com wrote:
Because I'm studying for the CCNP and for a job where they use EIGRP and I need to know it. :-)
On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 11:06 AM, Raphael Maunier < raphael.maunier@gmail.com> wrote:
HuH,
The real question is Why ? Ospf can be used with all vendor, eigrp .. not compatible unless you have a cisco network and other clone equipment. Ospf is widely supported and even with software like Observium. You can expect to have bad or no support using EIGRP
2015-11-01 17:45 GMT+01:00 Jason Vanlandingham van.sjason@gmail.com:
I've been running OSPF but am changing to EIGRP. EIGRP isn't showing in the routing section when I look at devices.
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As an alternative to that ... code the support for eigrp yourselves and contribute it via jira... Then you learn a lot more.
On 02/11/15 13:54, Spencer Ryan wrote:
Tell the job Adam Armstrong thinks eigrp is stupid and they should move to literally anything else. Should clear things right up.
On Nov 2, 2015 7:41 AM, "Jason Vanlandingham" <van.sjason@gmail.com mailto:van.sjason@gmail.com> wrote:
Because I'm studying for the CCNP and for a job where they use EIGRP and I need to know it. :-) On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 11:06 AM, Raphael Maunier <raphael.maunier@gmail.com <mailto:raphael.maunier@gmail.com>> wrote: HuH, The real question is Why ? Ospf can be used with all vendor, eigrp .. not compatible unless you have a cisco network and other clone equipment. Ospf is widely supported and even with software like Observium. You can expect to have bad or no support using EIGRP 2015-11-01 17:45 GMT+01:00 Jason Vanlandingham <van.sjason@gmail.com <mailto:van.sjason@gmail.com>>: I've been running OSPF but am changing to EIGRP. EIGRP isn't showing in the routing section when I look at devices. _______________________________________________ observium mailing list observium@observium.org <mailto:observium@observium.org> http://postman.memetic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/observium _______________________________________________ observium mailing list observium@observium.org <mailto:observium@observium.org> http://postman.memetic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/observium _______________________________________________ observium mailing list observium@observium.org <mailto:observium@observium.org> http://postman.memetic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/observium
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Good luck, and enjoy the journey. The most fun I've ever had in any test was the CCNP tshoot exam. I had a smile on my face the entire time, thinking to myself, "man, I really know this stuff!".
As far as coding support for it yourself...if you're even a hack of a programmer I say go for it! I added OSPF support to an open source router firmware called Tomato (fork of ddwrt) a few years ago, and learned much more about it in the process than I would have just by reading Cisco Press books. :D
On Monday, November 2, 2015, Jason Vanlandingham van.sjason@gmail.com wrote:
Because I'm studying for the CCNP and for a job where they use EIGRP and I need to know it. :-)
On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 11:06 AM, Raphael Maunier < raphael.maunier@gmail.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','raphael.maunier@gmail.com');> wrote:
HuH,
The real question is Why ? Ospf can be used with all vendor, eigrp .. not compatible unless you have a cisco network and other clone equipment. Ospf is widely supported and even with software like Observium. You can expect to have bad or no support using EIGRP
2015-11-01 17:45 GMT+01:00 Jason Vanlandingham <van.sjason@gmail.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','van.sjason@gmail.com');>:
I've been running OSPF but am changing to EIGRP. EIGRP isn't showing in the routing section when I look at devices.
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participants (13)
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Aaron Finney
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Adam Armstrong
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Adam Armstrong
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Chard, Alex (RET-SYD)
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greg lambert
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Jason Vanlandingham
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Joseph L. Brunner
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Markus Klock
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Matthias Cramer
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Raphael Maunier
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Ron Marosko
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Spencer Ryan
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Tom Laermans